Research Into the Jews / Talmud | Pt. 1

A (long) look into another’s religion.

I have never delved too deeply into the Jewish religion and the Talmud, but something compelled me to look into this religion a little more closely in order to try and better understand the world around us.

So far, from what I’ve seen, I feel like my whole world has been turned upside down because I didn’t realize A LOT of what this religion entails. And why it seems to be the main focal point for a lot of people – whether it’s animosity towards Jews, or animosity from [certain] Jews towards everyone else.

With that being said, I have no biased inclinations on this matter, and am looking at all of the information I come across in an objective manner. While yes, I am astounded at some of the facts I’ve come across, I also know that automatically entertaining knee-jerk reactions will not help anyone and instead causes further divide.

Therefore, this post will mostly be comprised of interesting tidbits/facts/information that I’ve come across that hopefully shed some important light on this topic. I can’t guarantee that there will be any semblance of organization in this post, because it will more than likely be me talking (writing?) out loud and trying to connect some of the pieces together.

I’ve decided to divide this into parts since it would be impossible for me to address everything into one single post. If you have further insights and knowledge/research/information on this topic, then I would love it if you’d share it with me. I always love hearing other’s perspectives on these subjects; it also helps gives me a broader understanding of other’s beliefs and cultures.

If you stick with this post, maybe you’ll find something new as well that you never knew before.

Both the Book of Revelations and the Talmud spoke of a week of tribulation – at least according to some Christian clergy and Rabbis…

“So the week of the Son, is an interesting concept. It’s one week of tribulations. What is interesting is the Book of Revelation has the same thing! One week of tribulation; each day another angel pours another cup of sorrow, of suffering, of disaster on the world! Same as in the Talmud. But! The Book of Revelation is at least 200 years before the Babylonian Talmud existed. Even before the Jerusalem Talmud came into being.” – @9:55 A Rabbi Shows Jesus in the Talmud | Messiah in the Talmud – Bava Batra | Joseph Shulam | Netivyah

“Prophecy of 70 Weeks (Daniel chapter 9) is a prophecy given to Daniel by the angel Gabriel in response to Daniel’s prayer for God to act on behalf of his people and city (i.e. Jerusalem). 70 weeks is weeks of years or 1 week of Daniel is = 7 years.” – Revelation 6 (The 7-Year Tribulation Period)

I want to point out, the gentleman in the video posted above, Joseph Shulam, admits that there was an interesting side to the Talmud that at one point changed the name of Yeshua (Jesus) to Yeshu-ah, which changed the original meaning of the text from “Yeshua ha Ben” (Yeshua [Jesus] is the Son) to a reinterpretation of it to mean “the salvation of the Son”. Which inevitably makes one wonder if this was a very deliberate intent to delegitimize Jesus Christ’s significance as the Savior.

So Joseph Shulam is acknowledging that this text is something he had never seen before and regards it with an important notice and that it is something that deserves more investigation. To read the transcript from the video, which definitely helped me with the unfamiliar words, please visit Bava Batra: A Surprising Look at the Messiah in the Talmud

Interestingly enough, he only encounters this passage after a man enters his office and asks him what these passages could mean; clearly confused and perhaps even distraught, since it is a teaching that apparently most Jews do not believe…

Confusion sets in: To believe in Jesus Christ, or not…

“The essential difference between Jews and Christians is that Christians accept Jesus as messiah and personal savior. Jesus is not part of Jewish theology. Amongst Jews, Jesus is not considered a divine being.” – What are the main differences between a Jew and a Christian?

“Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah are called Messianic Jews, or Jewish believers. But terminology can sometimes mislead. “I don’t like labels,” says Joan. “But know two things about me: I am a Jew, and I believe in Yeshua as the Messiah of Israel.” – A Leap to Faith: Judaism to Christianity

“Christians regard Jesus as their Messiah, and this belief is the foundation of their entire faith. For most Jews, however, Jesus is viewed as a historical figure in the tradition of teachers and prophets, but they do not believe he is the Chosen One, the Messiah sent to redeem mankind. Some Jews may even regard Jesus with enmity, seeing him as a false idol.” – Beliefs and Practices of Messianic Jews

“Most Messianic Jews are Jewish by heritage and generally think of themselves as Jews, even though they are not regarded as such by other Jews, or by the legal system in Israel. Messianic Jews see themselves as completed Jews since they have found their Messiah. Traditional Jews consider Messianic Jews to be Christians, however, and in Israel sporadic persecution of Messianic Jews has occurred.” – Beliefs and Practices of Messianic Jews

More of Joseph Shulam’s (a Messianic Jew) insights

Because I appreciated Joseph Shulam’s interesting outlook into the possible intention of changing the Talmudic text to better reflect the ideology of the Ultra-Orthodox Jew, I wanted to research a little further into his other findings.

Here are the following revelations, including how most traditional Jews view Christianity/Jesus Christ, as well as how a few very famous Rabbis chose to leave their high positions and follow Jesus Christ instead. Joseph also speculates that the first Rabbi he mentions, Rabbi Manahem, was largely omitted from the Talmud.

Joseph Shulam @15:49: “The popular idea of the Jewish people is that only idiots, ignorant Jews, uneducated Jews, secular Jews, become disciples of Jesus. That’s the common view of most of the Jews in the world even until this very day.

If you are a real, educated Jew and you knew the law of Moses and the Torah, you would never become a Christian. You would never accept Jesus as the Messiah. That’s the common view.”

@20:50 (from a slide presentation): “Rabbi, no matter how brilliant and of how high office he was, he chose to follow the Messiah rather than to keep his high office. Rabbi Manahem [Menahem] didn’t leave alone; his disciples went with him.”

Joseph Shulam @22:15: “Rabbi Eliezer was arrested for Minuth. Minuth means heresy. And in that time heresy is only one: following Jesus.”

@41:50 (from a slide presentation): “Elisha, son of Abuyah, born to a wealthy family from Jerusalem. He was one of the most important teachers (Sages) Mishnah. Rabbi Elisha is one of the most quoted Rabbis in the Mishnah. [snipped] It is precisely the importance of Rabbi Elisha ben Abuyah that makes this such an important story.”

Joseph Shulam @42:12: [explaining an ascension experience of Rabbi Elisha] “Elisha ben Abuyah comes down, and he, they change his name. They called him, he changed, he became different. “Acher” in Hebrew. He became acher. He changed. Whatever he saw in Heaven, he changed.

[snipped] “What happens when he comes out of that mystical experience? He no longer respects the rabbinical interpretations of the law. He gets on a horse, he rides a horse on Shabbat, he doesn’t observe the Sabbath limit that is rabbinical, essentially; and essentially, Elisha ben Abuyah becomes ameen. Becomes a disciple of Jesus.

What made – what did he see up there that made him become a disciple of Jesus? He saw a man sitting on the right hand of God. And before God, nobody sits; even the Archangels stand in the presence of God. But Elisha ben Abuyah saw a man sitting at the right hand of God. That convinced him to become a disciple of Jesus.”

Interviewer asks @49:27: “Do you have an opinion about what Paul meant in Romans 9 through 11, when he spoke about making my people, Jewish people, jealous?”

Joseph Shulam: “Yes. I have, not only opinion, I have experience of many years of what the Gentiles should do to make the Jewish people jealous. First of all, they should believe in God. More than we as Jews believe in God. Not in religion! Religion is the big – ALL religions, Judaism/Christianity/every religion in the world is the biggest enemy of faith. Religion has brought division and war and hatred to humanity.

Faith, love, hope – those are powers. Powers for life.

And Gentiles should show their love to the Jewish people. We have been, you know, more than a 1,000 years, a 1,000 and 400 years, and even a little more, receiving hate in the name of Jesus. Antisemitism in the name of Jesus. It came from Christians. Muslims were a lot more tolerant toward Judaism and to the Jews than Christians were.

I do agree that Love is the most important power/force in the universe. However, when people can’t tap into this emotion – either by choice or they have already tarnished their soul so much that only God/Jesus can save them, then the world will remain in an ever perpetual state of fear and chaos. While both sides – all sides – of every culture have had their disagreements, strife, animosity towards other groups, the unwillingness to move on from past (even current) hatred and tribulations keeps this cycle moving forward. We can’t fully address this until all sides (or maybe all it takes is for one side…) are willing to lay down this hate and forgive one another.

But that brings me up to another topic. Most of these “disagreements” and animosity, I believe, stem from the fact that one group doesn’t approve of the other group’s actions. Imagine a religion that establishes their rules that all other groups are unworthy, ignorant, no more than beasts created to serve them.

Does this sound loving? Does this sound like a religion that is not infringing upon other’s lives while proclaiming themselves the only group worth living on the planet? Could this be the reason of so much animosity – from every side? That’s not to say that all Jews believe this, of course. But the texts and quotes below are taken from the Talmud and several advocates – and also those who are opposed to this ideology – and shows a very dark, disturbing outlook of how some Jews view Gentiles…

Various quotes from different Jews/Rabbis & excerpts taken from the Talmud:

NOTE: I do not endorse or promote the antisemitism of the video. I just use this video as a reference. I have verified a few of the quotes as legitimate but did not verify every single one. Also please keep in mind that deception may still be possible in framing others for saying something that they didn’t really say.

Source: odysee | @JohnTheConfederate | Jewish Quotes about the GOYIM

Israel Shahak @3:00: “An Orthodox Jew learns from his earliest youth, as part of his sacred studies, that Gentiles are compared to dogs, that it is a sin to praise them. Institutionally, The Book of Education, written in the 14th century, is currently a popular book for Israeli school children, its publication subsidized by the government. Its texts includes material such as ‘The Jewish people are the best of the human species … and worthy to have slaves to serve them. We are commanded to possess them for our service.’

For further context, please visit: Israel Shahak: The Jewish Professor Who Warned the World Against Jews

Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira @11:00: “It is permissible to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation. If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments – because we care about the commandments – there is nothing wrong with the murder.

There is a reason to kill babies on the enemy side even if they have not transgressed the seven Noahide Laws because of the future danger they may present, since it is assumed that they will grow up to be evil like their parents. They can be killed indirectly to put pressure on enemy leaders, or if they are “in the way.”

For further context, please visit: Ultra-Zionist Settler Rabbi Publishes Controversial Book

Rabbi Manis Friedman @18:20: “The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women, children and cattle.”

For further context, please visit: Ask the Rabbis // How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?

I want to mention, reading through the responses of the “How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors” article was actually really touching and brought tears to my eyes. Aside from, of course, the response above.

(The below phrases from the Talmud are just a small few that I have personally verified – although the context could be debated. I want to point out that some of the other phrases that the source quotes I could not find in reference to its sayings.)

“It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile”. — Talmud: Sepher ikkarim III c 25.

“If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there”. — Talmud: Moed Kattan 17a.

Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.” — Talmud: Gittin 57a

– SOURCE: TALMUD QUOTES RELATED TO HATE AND SUPERIORITY OVER AND INEQUALITY VERSUS NON-JEWS

Again, I want to mention the subtle, seemingly mishandling or mistranslation of certain terminology to fit a certain narrative or ideology.

When researching the line of the Talmud: Gittin 57a of Jesus being boiled in hot excrement, there are interesting disagreements on how this verse should be handled.

For instance, some Jews refer to Balaam and Jesus as the same person. However, in Gittin 57a, there is a very obvious distinction that these two individuals are separate, as is related by the Gemara. And there are still debates amongst the Jews and scholars of this passage. In addition, some people have confusion about the passage that states: Jesus of Nazarene (from the Sefaria website), as in many manuscripts the word Nazarene doesn’t seem to appear. Yet, in at least one manuscript, it seems to show this word: [I do not read Hebrew, so cannot verify this]

“I can’t tell you for sure where Koren (whence Sefaria) sourced its inclusion of “the Nazarene”, but I can say that it is included in at least one manuscript of this passage. Namely, in the manuscript titled Vatican 130, we see:

אזל אסקיה לישו הנוצרי בנגידא

You can see a picture of the manuscript on Hachi Garsinan, part of the Friedberg Jewish Manuscript Society. I’ve reproduced the relevant part of the manuscript here:

picture of manuscript Vatican 130 with text הנוצרי

 

– Source: Where does Sefaria get “Nazarene” from in the Talmud in Gittin 57a?

I also want to point out that some Jews regard the story about Onkelos/Jesus as just that; a story. Whether certain Jews actually believe that Jesus is boiling in hot excrement is up to their own interpretation.

So we can see how the Jews, at least from the Talmud, regards the Gentiles (meaning everyone who is not a Jew), and how they regard Jesus Christ. Again, this is not to imply that every Jew thinks this way. Some may regard Jesus Christ as just a man and don’t harbor such harsh hostility towards everyone else; and some, like Joseph Shulam, are Messianic Jews and do believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of mankind. However, I am inclined to believe that there are indeed some Jews that still hold such hatred and animosity towards others who are not included in their group.

Of course, the same could be said by any group. Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Pagans, Atheists… the list goes on and on. So to automatically deride one group for the actions of a few is an ongoing battle (sadly, literally) and the tolerance we have for each other is few and far between.

I think, though, that what largely separates the Jewish community (again, not all of them) is the lengths that this group goes to in order to claim their ownership and their believed birthright as the Chosen People.

A Jew Exposes The Jewish World Conspiracy

Just a cursory glance at this exposé reveals an incredible and almost unbelievable agenda of a small, yet extremely wealthy and powerful group of people who are hell-bent on asserting their control over the world.

A Jew Exposes The Jewish World Conspiracy (1946 by Henry H. Klein)

In this brief but surprisingly informative write-up, Henry H. Klein goes into detail uncovering the takeover of a Jewish force onto the rest of the population, even at the detriment of their own people.

I have chosen a few excerpts just for reference; keep in mind, Henry H. Klein wrote this exposé in 1946… :

Why is a knowledge of the contents of the Protocols important now?

Because they outline a detailed plan for the destruction of the Christian world and for its conquest and control by a handful of Jews known as the Sanhedrin, and because most of it has already been accomplished.

– Source: A Jew Exposes The Jewish World Conspiracy (pg.4)

We must keep anti-semitism alive, say the Protocols, even though we sacrifice some of our own people.

– Source: A Jew Exposes the Jewish World Conspiracy (pg.8)

The Sanhedrin controls all sources of information in the United States.

They control newspapers, magazines, movies and radio broadcasting. They control banks and book publishers. They control politics and politicians. They control public officials and the courts. They control public opinion through the flood of lying propaganda which they let loose on the people during the past thirty odd years and which newspapers must print and radio commentators must blare.

– Source: A Jew Exposes the Jewish World Conspiracy (pg.12)

The Protocols is, in effect, a fulfillment of the Talmud. The Talmud causes Jews to hate Christians and the Protocols outline a program for the destruction of the Christian world. Jesus fought the rabbis and the Sanhedrin in His day and we must fight them now. They are inimical to the Jew and a menace to the people generally.

– Source: A Jew Exposes the Jewish World Conspiracy (pg.12)

Now, Henry H. Klein does mention the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, several times, and it goes without saying that this text has been heatedly debated as being a fraudulent creation for the sole purpose of attacking the Jewish community.

Full text of “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”

However, the passages from the Protocols closely resembles the sentimentality that the Talmud does, especially in regards to the Goyim and the Jews own personal stance as the rightful heirs of the entire world and the power they plan to employ to get there. So to keep denying that the Protocols could possibly be a real legitimate guidebook is turning a blind eye to the actuality of the situation, and the sombering awareness that what has been stated in that text has largely become a reality.

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

This is the elephant in the room. And as some people have found out, even Jews cannot criticize other Jews about this reality. Yet the fallback for anyone even slightly questioning any of these agendas is met with automatic hostility and blindly calling them “antisemitic”. Even if they’re a Jew! The same as how anyone questioning current narratives is labeled as a conspiracy theorist.

But Wilson was not deterred. She responded with a series of tweets:

1) First of all, calm down. Re-tweets don’t imply endorsement. Yes, very provocative, but thoughtful. Many neocon hawks ARE Jewish.

2) Just FYI, I am of Jewish decent. I am not in favor of war with Iran, or getting out of the Iran nuclear treaty. There are simply

3) too many who are so ready to go to war. Haven’t we had enough for a while?

4) Read the entire article and try, just for a moment, to

put aside your biases and think clearly.

– Source: American Jews Are Starting Wars, Jewish Former CIA Spy Valerie Plame Wilson Retweets

I believe in Jesus Christ. I’m not a Christian, per se, but if I were to be labelled anything, it would be a Christian. Yet there are times when I criticize Christians and question certain belief systems, but THAT DOESN’T MAKE ME ANTI-CHRISTIAN.

The same goes for anyone questioning Jews and their belief systems. THAT DOESN’T MAKE THEM ANTISEMITIC.

The same goes for anyone questioning the ridiculous mandates that don’t make any sense and that causes more harm than good. THAT DOESN’T MAKE THEM CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.

We need to step away from this toxic paradigm of labeling anything that doesn’t agree with us as anti-whatever or a “crazy conspiracy nut”. If most of us just look at the information available, and we approach it with an open-mind and not out of defensive bias, we may be able to learn that we are endorsing the wrong side.

I am going to end this post on that note, and again, since this topic is so huge, it is impossible for me to cover it all in one post. There is just simply too much information and research to delve into.

I encourage everyone to do their own research as well and even step outside of their own belief structure to at least try to understand other’s culture. Our hesitance at even looking at other religions and/or entertaining the idea that there very well may be a world wide dictatorship in the works is going to leave us blind-sided and at the mercy of those vouching for control. We need to learn to admit when things have gotten out of hand and that these “conspiracy theories” may not be theories, after all.

Fact checking is extremely important. I want to reiterate not to take everything at face value; no matter what you read, where you read it from, or who you hear it from. And to be clear, do not rely on “fact checking” websites to give you accurate information either. These are just as likely, (if not even more likely…), to feed false information and false debunking accounts to manipulate the reader. Please take everything into consideration before adhering to a certain narrative – and always keep your mind open to other possibilities.

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