Dr. Peter McCullough Interview with Mike Adams | “All to prepare the population for mass vaccination.” [Transcript]

“It’s astonishing how dangerous the vaccines are.”

In keeping with providing written transcripts for those who prefer to read text as opposed to watching videos, I have transcribed the following interview between Mike Adams and Dr. Peter McCullough.

Another in-depth/informative video with Dr. Peter McCullough that is transcribed in full can be found here: Dr. Peter McCullough / John Leake – Full Interview [Transcript]

Thank you to Mike Adams and Dr. Peter McCullough. While all of the information is incredibly helpful and insightful, I did highlight some pertinent topics that were discussed and some embellishments were added for emphasis.

 

Also thank you to all the doctors/scientists/researchers, etc. who have been brave enough to stand up for their patients and for humanity in general. Your bravery and integrity speaks volumes of your character and exemplifies what it means to be a strong, compassionate individual, especially in the midst of adversity and vitriol.

Mike Adams: “Welcome everyone to another extraordinary interview here on Brighteon Conversations. Remember, we are the platform where we can exercise free speech that is not allowed on the major big tech platforms. And today we have a first time guest, but you’ve seen him in other interviews, or perhaps you haven’t since some of those interviews have been banned.

But, his name is Dr. Peter McCullough, and he is just an extraordinary individual. He’s a professor of medicine, Texas A&M, Dallas; he’s published I think 42 peer reviewed papers on covid. He’s been on the forefront of trying to help save lives in this and he has a very powerful and very timely message for what’s happening with medicine and science, and covid.

So Dr. McCullough, it’s an honor to have you on, thank you for joining me today.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Yeah, thanks for having me, Mike, it’s great to be here.”
Mike Adams: “Well, it’s great to have you on. You’ve been one of the most requested guest for our audience; they’ve been just really enthralled by what you have said in other interviews. Can you give us kind of a summary of where you think we are right now with covid, and the failed response by government authorities around the world? Why are they not doing the right thing?”

Safe treatment for COVID is available – NO VACCINE NEEDED (and in certain cases, treatment isn’t even needed)

Dr. Peter McCullough @1:49: “Well, a quick summary is that doctors, independent doctors innovated and learned how to treat the virus. So your audience can really settle down and understand that if someone’s over age 50 with multiple medical problems, they can be treated with a standard multi drug protocol plus nutraceuticals, get through the illness just fine, and avoid hospitalization and death. So we’ve taken the fear out of covid-19, we treat it at home.

Individuals under age 50, no medical problems, they can breeze through the illness, no treatment needed, unless severe symptoms develop, and again it just it’s nutraceutical bundle, which is probably modestly helpful. The drugs that really helped, I mean, we used EUA monoclonal antibodies, the Regeneron products – all doctors can make a call to their local emergency room, patients get an antibody infusion, just like president Trump got. You saw how he breezed through covid, that can be done. So if I got a senior call me today, I’d have him go to the Baylor ER, get an antibody infusion, they’ll breeze right through it. We used drugs in sequence, oral drugs to reduce viral replication, we use inhaled and oral steroids – “

Mike Adams: “Can you list some of those medications, please? Because people want to write these down.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Right, so the first thing we do is we use nutraceuticals, that would be zinc, 50 milligrams / vitamin D, 5,000 International Units / vitamin C, 3,000 milligrams / quercetin 500 milligrams, twice a day – that’s a good nutraceutical bundle right there. Probably modestly helpful and actually there are some supportive data. For the antibodies we have a Regeneron product that’s given IV and it’s given over an hour, with an hour observation down in the ER; you can go in by schedule in the first couple days of illness, but to get it done.

If someone is admitted, on the other side of the admission we can actually give a GlaxoSmithKline monoclonal antibodies. These are very helpful drugs and patients should demand them. So they should ask for these drugs, they shouldn’t be a mystery to get them. Just ask for the Regeneron antibody infusion – it’s what president Trump got – “

Mike Adams: “What’s your take on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Yeah, so after the antibody infusion, then we can use oral drugs. And we have hydroxychloroquine, over 200 supportive studies, 200 milligrams, twice a day; ivermectin about 60 supportive studies there, and we can use about 18 milligrams a dose every other day for 3 doses. And then outside the United States favipiravir. We combine them with azithromyacin or doxycycline, to reduce bacterial super infection and to reduce overlap between what’s called atypical organisms, and then we use inhaled budesonide, 800 milligrams twice a day – micrograms twice a day. If on day 5 respiratory symptoms, we use oral prednisone for about a quick 5 days, no taper. We use a drug called colchicine once a day, for 30 days. Reduces inflammation. And then really on the backend we use aspirin, 325 milligrams a day as a blood thinner; then high risk patients we use lovenox.

So the doctor will decide with the patient which kind of program it’s going to be, but it’s typically things to reduce viral replication, things to reduce inflammation, and then thrombosis. None of the drugs are individually essential. There are protocols where no hydroxychloroquine and no ivermectin is used, and just the anti-inflammatories and blood thinners are used. That’s the South African Pedi approach. Others kind of, kind of feature hydroxy or ivermectin – that’s fine too.

Access to doctors treating COVID (free services available)

Peter McCullough @5:30: But what the listeners need to know is that there are adequate signals of benefit and acceptable safety to use drugs in combination. The only people who get admitted to the hospital and die, are the ones who get no outpatient treatment. So we have to demand treatment. We have the American Physicians and Surgeons, AAPS, online’s got a free guide. Download it, everybody should have it; it’s been downloaded millions of times. We have a list of treating doctors.

There’s another wonderful site called the Frontline Critical Care Consortium, FLCC. They also have a great network of doctors. We have 4 national telemedicine services. The featured one is called MyFreeDoctor.com. And that’s a free service! You don’t need your insurance or anything. You just give a donation if you want to. Doctors work 24 by 7, they will take your intake, they’ll get the medicines called in to your pharmacy. If your pharmacy won’t fill them, we’ll use a mail order pharmacy, we’ll get the drugs to you – get going, and nobody has to suffer through this illness. There are 15 regional telemedicine services, 500 treating doctors, It’s called Sequence Multi Drug Therapy, it’s published in the peer review literature – been used millions of times.

Let me say this much, this has really kicked in the early part of January. We crushed our curve – that’s what crushed our curve. That was before anybody was vaccinated. We crushed our curve. Since that time we’ve been flat, kind of flat at leveling out through the pandemic. Mexico City crushed their curve with the early treatment. Down in South America, countries did; India just crushed their curve with early treatment. Early treatment treats the problem! Masks and vaccines don’t actually treat the illness. We need to treat the illness with multiple drugs.”

Huge censorship from big tech/media and health agencies | Medical dictatorship

Mike Adams @7:11: “Well how shocked are you in observing the official response to this? How shocked are you as a trained, published physician, who has the, the right motivation to help save lives, to help people get well, to reduce human suffering… This is supposed to be the moral code of being a physician. How shocked are you of the suppression of all the things that you just mentioned? From big tech censoring the mention and the CDC censoring, and the WHO censoring – why didn’t we have a national response that said, “Hey, let’s use what works.”?

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Well, we should have. We should have had doctors in charge who actually are real doctors who are board certified who are taking care of patients with covid-19. We needed doctors who had courage, who actually behaved like trauma surgeons. We don’t need doctors on TV who are not working in teams, who are not board certified, who have never seen a covid patient. That’s what America in the world has been looking at here and it’s really an atrocity.

You know, doctors always work in teams. We should never have a single doctor say anything on TV. Get a team! Get a team. We work in teams in rounds. We’ve seen no international collaboration. Do you know, I gave […] rounds today by webex to France. And we were collaborating. We were exchanging ideas. Americans have not seen any exchange of ideas between doctors on TV. They’ve basically seen a medical dictatorship. From one person. And Americans should be very alarmed on where’s the teams of doctors, where’s the international collaboration.

You know here I’m sitting here in Texas and you know a few hours south of us they’re handing out treatment kits by the millions! In baggies. And Texas would never know about it. Because there’s not any window to the outside world.”

Deliberate suppression of medical treatment and malfeasance in the health industry

Mike Adams @8:57: “Now, you’ve published many, many papers. You’re one of the most prolific writers in the area of internal medicine, and your work is sided by thousands of other studies and papers. So your history here of research and medicine is unassailable.

And what you just said about a medical dictatorship seems so true when last year, remember when states and I believe Michigan was one of them, actually outlawed the prescribing of hydroxychloroquine for covid. Why would a state government criminalize – oh, and by the way, that happened after the Lancet published that, later retracted, a bogus study that said hydroxychloroquine caused heart tissue/scarring and so on. But this seems like a medical dictatorship as you said, prohibiting the practice of good medicine by doctors who are on the frontlines. Would that be an accurate assessment?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “It’s accurate. Someone just sent me a treatment protocol from one of the Baylor Scott & White hospitals in our health system in central Texas. Kind of right applies to you. And that protocol to this day says ‘Do not use hydroxychloroquine to treat covid-19.’

We have 200 supportive studies. Lancet published a fraudulent paper. The FDA, based on the fraudulent paper said ‘do not use hydroxychloroquine’. Here we are, a year later, and hospital treatment guidelines say don’t use hydroxychloroquine. No one reviewed the literature. No one updated the literature. We have 200 studies. There’s a 30,000 patient study from Iran showing a giant reduction in hospitalization and death with hydroxychloroquine based program.

So what you’re seeing here is bad research. It’s bad medicine. People aren’t updated. There should be weekly updates. Monthly guidelines updates. Here, we’re frozen in time, fraudulent paper, ill-advised guidance from the FDA, and frozen in time with no contemporaneous review. None. It’s malfeasance.

Mike Adams: “Well that’s the thing. It seems, at least in my assessment, they deliberately pushed a fraudulent study through the Lancet, and I believe also in the New England Journal of Medicine, knowing that the retractions might never really happen. Like they’ve established now that hydroxychloroquine is dangerous and it’s hard to ever get that taken back out of the medical literature or even in the minds of the people who rely on that literature. So it’s kind of like, you know, the New York Times publishing something that’s false and then the retraction comes on page 8 in small print, you know, a day later – nobody sees the retraction.”

Intentional corruption for the purpose of hurting people | Attack on hydroxychloroquine

Dr. Peter McCullough @11:36: “I agree with this. I agree with you. I think it was intentional. I think the entire action was intentional and it was aligned to do harm. It was aligned to hurt people. And hydroxychloroquine became the focal point of how individuals with intent to do harm could do harm.

You know hydroxychloroquine, the second largest hydroxychloroquine plant outside of Taipei, was mysteriously burned to the ground. We heard words of hydroxychloroquine being burned at night in the pharmacies across Africa. In Queensland, Australia, in August, or – in early in April of last year, Queensland, Australia, they put it on the books that they would put a doctor in jail if a doctor tried to help a patient with hydroxychloroquine.

Now come on! I prescribe this every day. Rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, we can give it to pregnant women. I mean we prescribe hydroxychloroquine – you can give it to patients with dry eyes and other rheumatologic conditions. And suddenly in covid-19, we can’t use a simple, safe drug to help people?

Something Americans should think: something is REALLY wrong. We should have been, you know, we had the right idea – we stockpiled hydroxychloroquine, we had it ready to go, but then we didn’t release it from the stockpile! We made it impossible to use.”

Mike Adams: “Well, you just hinted at something, I want to explore this a little more deeply with you, that you got to intent. You believe that the intent was to cause harm. And I think most of our viewers would absolutely agree with you. And I do too, although I’m here asking your view, not really my views here today, but, if their intent was to cause harm and not just complacency or bureaucracy or inadvertent mistakes, what does this mean about this, the institution of medicine and science in the context of this pandemic? I mean, why aren’t they trying to save as many lives as possible? What’s going on here?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “It’s in the minds of doctors. In fact, there was a doctor who has done some of the, really just, I think, probably low-quality research, some very poor randomized trials that were stopped early – and they always stop early. Hydroxychloroquine is always a little bit ahead, and it’s winning; they stop early and say, ‘Oh, there’s no difference. Hydroxychloroquine didn’t do anything.’ Well, there’s a doctor who’s been leading some of these studies, he put out a message on twitter and said, ‘Oh, most good doctors have moved on from hydroxychloroquine.’

It’s like, you know, why state that, when hydroxychloroquine is a worldwide standard. It’s a standard, it’s always been a standard in Europe, in Rome, in Italy, it has a whole program called Treatment Domiciliary at Home. [Erik Rimaldi – sp?], who leads that effort, they’ve had major rallies in piazzas all over Italy, declaring ZERO hospitalizations with an early approach to hydroxychloroquine. Thousands and thousands of people. It’s standard in Iran. It’s standard in Russia. Used widely in India.

And you know what? When the first wave of covid-19 hit, in March of last year, that was the Wuhan version. That was the wild-type. That was the most serious version. You know, covid’s gotten easier and easier to treat. But the most serious wave, we had a very little blip in the United States. You know why? Because we had a massive use of hydroxychloroquine. It was then when agencies tried to kill it. That’s when the epidemic got out of control. We should have stuck with hydroxy hard all the way through. And you know, ivermectin works fine. We don’t use them alone. But when we sync them in with aspirin and steroids, blood thinners and colchicine, the program works tremendously. 85% reductions in hospitalizations and death.” 

Mike Adams: “Well, how much do you think a profit motive is behind this? I mean, do you get the feeling that if hydroxychloroquine were a new, on-patent drug, that just came out, Johnson & Johnson let’s say, and it were a thousand dollars a dose, and all governments offered to buy it at a thousand dollars a dose, do you get the feeling that suddenly it would be a miracle cure in the media if that were the case?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “No I don’t, believe it or not. I don’t think it’s a profit motive. You know, Merck, in Santa Fe, have had oral drugs. In development. They’re a part of Operation Warp Speed. They’ve been on slow gear with these oral drugs. Slow gear. You’d think if these companies wanted to make some money on oral drugs, then these drug companies, they know how to do big trials. They know how to move fast. Why are they moving at a snail’s pace? You know, we are overloaded with millions of cases of covid-19. You know what we needed? We needed 20,000 person outpatient trials of multiple drugs. And we needed it last year. Nobody did that. And believe me, they all had the resources. So I don’t think it’s profit driven.”

MOTIVE: Mass vaccination | “A NEEDLE IN EVERY ARM”

Mike Adams @16:30: “What do you think is the motive of this suppression of the treatments?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “I think it was all to prepare the population for mass vaccination. I think it was very intentional, to maximize the amount of fear, suffering, hospitalization and death, to prepare the population to accept mass vaccination. And when mass vaccination came out, they didn’t say targeted, or just for the seniors, or just for the maximum benefit is, they said ‘A NEEDLE IN EVERY ARM’. And they meant it.

And nowadays, that’s all you hear about, morning/noon/and night, is vaccination. You don’t see a word about treatment in the hospital, any updates on treatment; it’s vaccination morning/noon/and night, and people are dreaming of mass vaccination. We have doctors screaming at patients telling them they have to be vaccinated. Doctors saying that only vaccinated patients can be in their waiting room. I mean, everything has been set up on this vaccine. There’s been Saturday Night Live skits, about the vaccine. Since when do we do that? Vaccines are never that exciting!”

McCullough Report available on americaoutloud.com

Mike Adams @17:36: “I want to ask you more details about the vaccine, I just want to remind our viewers here that you have a broadcast; it’s on americaoutloud.com, americaoutloud.com. It’s the McCullough Report – is that once a week, or what’s the schedule on that?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Yeah, it comes out – so it’s run twice on weekends, and then it comes out on the iheartradio and the big podcast platforms – what I do is I bring in experts, who are absolutely – and we go through their backgrounds, so America knows these are the top people, all over the world, and we do interviews. You know, I try to go 8 to 10 minutes and really get the key information out. And I’ve interviewed absolutely the top people in order to break through to America.

“We are going to squash any valid scientific information on treatment and on safety and just mass promote the vaccine.”

Peter McCullough @18:21: Because we have what’s called the Trusted News Service. I hope everybody understands this. We have an overt censoring program that all the major media signed on to at the beginning of December. And the agreement was, that they were going to mass promote the vaccine, and they were going to suppress all information on treatment and vaccine safety. And everybody signed off on it. Everybody did! So MSNBC, NBC, CNN, twitter! Youtube! They have explicitly said, ‘we are going to squash any valid scientific information on treatment and on safety and just mass promote the vaccine.’ And that’s what we got.”

Mike Adams: “Yeah, and you’re exactly right. It’s just been propaganda and a couple of things that I’ve noticed in the media about vaccines, is number 1, any vaccine injuries are always designated ‘rare’, no matter how many people they impact. Such as the myocarditis affecting young healthy men, right now.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Can I address that, because I agree with you. It has been said to be rare – any claim that something is rare means, that you have to go through every person vaccinated and see if they got it! You just can’t take a small number of cases that got pushed forward and divide it by everybody who got it and, and on priority, say that people who on the denominator didn’t get it, that’s not true.

So last night I was on Fox news, and the announcer said, ‘Well what about, you know these are rare cases.’ I said, “Listen, there’s 387,000 safety reports with the vaccines. That’s more than any medical product in history by a mile.” And he goes, ‘Well these are rare.’ I said, “Well, I don’t think so. That’s not rare.” So the answer is with these vaccines, none of these things are rare. In fact, they are far too common and it’s worrisome.”

Mike Adams: “Well, and it shows the intellectual dishonesty. Because they can use that word ‘rare’ in whatever way they want. You can bet that if a dietary supplement were causing this number of reports, it would be called a danger to the public and common. It wouldn’t be rare.”

Excessive deaths from COVID vaccine shows it is NOT “safe and effective”

Dr. Peter McCullough @20:31: “Well let me give you some standards: 1976, Swine flu pandemic, 25 deaths, 500 cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, it was 22 million people vaccinated, it’s off the market. Ok.

A drug, typically a drug, 5 unexplained deaths, gets a black box warning for death. 50 unexplained deaths, off the market! Ok? With all the vaccines combined, 500 million shots a year, 70 vaccines, we get about a 150 or 160 deaths that roll in, not related in time to the vaccine over the course of a year.

Covid-19, we’re at 6,100 deaths; 44% occur in the 48 hours after the shot. And we started to see the mortality diverge from expected, on January 22nd, and there’s been NO safety report from the FDA or NIH. Or nothing on the media. No press briefing on vaccine safety. None!

Americans should be alarmed that we have not had a press briefing on safety. We should be very alarmed! The vaccines, it may not work, but it should be safe! And if we don’t have any update or press briefing on safety, no publication of safety, I think Americans should be greatly alarmed.”

Mike Adams: “Well, but the other thing that the media does is they say, even when they acknowledge some adverse reactions, they say the benefits are worth the risks. But, as you know, as a scientist yourself, when you’re talking about an age group that only has maybe a one in a million chance of mortality from the vaccine – I’m sorry, from covid, what possible benefit can there be that outweighs any substantial risk, right? There’s no benefit to taking it in those age groups.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “No, there’s some countries that really – for instance, Germany, is pretty similar to the United States, I want to say maybe they have 30% of people vaccinated? They’re just kind of focusing on people over 65. I think Governor Ron DeSantis in Florida had the right thing. Remember, he didn’t fool around. He got the people over 65 vaccinated then the rest of it.

It’s very hard at this point in time with the amount of safety and amount of neurologic damage, heart damage, blood clots and deaths with these vaccines, it’s very hard to find any group that would benefit right now. I was, you know, encouraging the vaccine to my patients, about 70% of them got it in December/January/February, and right now based on the safety, I can’t in good conscience – I can’t, you know, I can’t recommend it to anybody. Maybe on a case by case basis.

There’s going to be a far safer vaccine coming called NovaVax, and NovaVax… [indistinguishable] and should be much much better in terms of safety. We’re hoping that they can speed this one in and phase out the first generation of vaccines.”

Deceptive terminology used to mislead the public. Vaccine consent form says “This is not approved.”

Mike Adams @23:37: “So another thing that I’ve noticed that the media doing on this is they conflate emergency authorization use with quote “approval” of the vaccine. So you’ll see newscasters tell their audiences things like, ‘Well, the FDA has approved all these vaccines’, but they haven’t, really. It hasn’t gone through the long-term clinical trials, it hasn’t been declared safe or efficacious, either one. What – do you think this is just part of the deliberate deception, or what?

Dr. Peter McCullough:Yeah, I think it is deliberate, deceptive. Americans who have gotten the vaccine, and 45% of Americans have gotten the vaccine, so that’s about half of your audience, Mike, they’ve signed the consent! They know exactly what the vaccine consent says. It says ‘This is not approved.’ It says ‘We don’t know if this is going to work.’ It says ‘It’s investigational.’ Means it’s research. Means you’re signing up for research. And they collect your personal information to track you. And it says ‘We don’t know what the side effects are.’ They can range all the way from a sore arm to death. And that’s what the consent form – 45% of Americans signed up for this.

Genetic gene delivery vaccines create dangerous spike protein that cause damage to cells, blood vessels and cause blood clots.

Peter McCullough @24:47: The vaccines that they signed up for are considered genetic gene delivery medicines. Ok? They are genetic, biologically active products. Ok? The typical vaccine is either a protein, or a dead virus, or an inactivated virus. It’s never a gene transfer substance. So whoever signed up for this, and 45% of your listeners signed up for this, they took Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J, they took a genetic product. Ok? That product transfers genetic material into your cells. That’s what it did. And then inside the cells, and there’s cells all over the body, they produce a dangerous protein called the spike protein. And wherever the genetic material goes, and we know, it goes to the brain, it goes to the heart – it produces the spike protein, which is inside cells, damages those cells, it damages the surface of those cells, causes inflammation, and then from there it travels in the body for about 2 weeks causing damage to blood vessels and causing blood clots.

So Senator Johnson, last night, had a townhall for vaccine injury victims. And there were dozens of them and they told America about how they’ve sustained brain damage. Or heart damage from the vaccine. And this has occurred in thousands and thousands of people. 21,000 people have been hospitalized after the vaccine. 27% of them are below age 50. It’s astonishing how dangerous the vaccines are.

Mike Adams: “Yeah, and you just mentioned several bombshells there that I want to get into. You referred to the bio-distribution study – one of which I’m aware is out of Japan; and the mainstream vaccine industry claims that these spike protein nanoparticles do not circulate throughout the body, but the studies show they do. Think there’s another pharmacokinetic study as well that establishes that.

What you just mentioned is huge. I mean, just based on that research alone, it seems like the FDA should pull the emergency authorization and say, ‘Wait a second, we need to study this in more depth. We can’t inject people if this is circulating throughout the entire body.’ But they’re not doing that. What’s going on?”

Nanoparticles in the vaccines concentrating in the ovaries – causing drop in fertility

Dr. Peter McCullough @27:11: “The vaccines that Johnson & Johnson/Pfizer/Moderna have a very dangerous mechanism action. We cannot have genetic substances circulating in our body in lipid nanoparticles or other forms of matrix nanoparticles and go to our brain! We can’t do that! I mean, that cannot be allowed. It’s a dangerous mechanism action.

The Japanese did not trust Pfizer, and when Pfizer said it stayed locally in the arm, the Japanese said ‘We don’t trust you. Show us where this goes’, and it was a biodistribution study done of the nanoparticles, not the messenger RNA, but the nanoparticles, and they went everywhere. They did wash out of organs in a couple of days but they hyper-concentrated in the ovaries.

In Europe, they didn’t trust Moderna on fertility. And they asked them, ‘What happens to fertility with Moderna?’ They did an animal study and Moderna dropped fertility.

The FDA, Mike, told Pfizer/Moderna and J&J,  ‘No pregnant women. No women of child-bearing potential who cannot assure contraceptive.’ They did that for a reason. They knew the vaccines should not be used in young women and they knew that.”

Mike Adams: “And yet the vaccine is being promoted for pregnant women all across America today by the medical establishment, but just getting back to that study, as I recall, one of the other areas where the nanoparticles tended to cluster was in the adrenals. So now we’re talking about a hormonal interference which could affect fertility, it could affect mental states, moods, it could affect SO many things. Right? In the body. Unknown effects.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Right. Well there have been nanoparticle studies, there was one from China published about 8 years or so ago that tested these nanoparticles. And they asked, ‘Where did they go?’ And they made a brilliant nice rainbow of all the organs where the nanoparticles showered, and they did show that they go to the ovaries. So the point is, and the adrenals, so the point is, the FDA, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, they KNEW or they should have known that these particles are gonna hit these vital organs. And then when they drop their genetic payload then they’re going to start producing the spike protein and damaging cells in those organs. So it was not surprising when young women were ill-advised and took the vaccines they started having problems with their periods. That was not unexpected.

“These vaccines are directly killing babies in the first trimester and it is absolutely atrocious. Horrible!”

Peter McCullough @29:41: In a New England Journal of Medicine paper of pregnancy, women who took the vaccine, the authors concluded that it was safe to give the vaccine in pregnancy. Now, no woman carried the baby 9 months because the vaccines haven’t been around 9 months, but they looked at different windows of time, and they divided all the pregnancy loss rates by the largest denominator possible, so it was really false reporting. When we zeroed in on the first trimester, and just divided by those who got the vaccine in the trimester, not those who got it later on, there was an 83% loss in fetal – in the babies. So these vaccines are directly killing babies in the first trimester and it is absolutely atrocious. Horrible!

@30:27: [indistinguishable] – college right now, is recommending that women, pregnant women, take the covid-19 vaccine. Pregnant women can breeze right through covid-19. There has been some bad outcomes, but it is very treatable with our drugs, we can even use hydroxychloroquine through pregnancy, we can use prednisone and other drugs. No woman should EVER take the risk with the covid-19 vaccine during pregnancy. Period! If the FDA, Pfizer/Moderna didn’t allow it in their clinical trials, it should be – not be allowed in practice today.”

Mike Adams: “Yeah, and that’s – you’re talking common sense medicine, here. But it seems like common sense has been thrown out the window. But I’m so glad you brought this up, because it seems like beginning in about maybe 6 months and continuing on we may see a collapse in birth rates, and maybe ongoing infertility problems. But that brings up the obvious question: do you think that there is an infertility or long-term population reduction agenda? Many people believe that. Lots of my guests have discussed that. Is that something that you subscribe to, or is it – we don’t have enough data yet to conclude that?”

Addressing “conspiracy theories” and the brainwashing of the public

Dr. Peter McCullough @31:32: “You know, I can’t – I’ve been so focusing on the medical response and taking care of my patients. I know others are working on, you know, people have called them “conspiracy theories”; the, you know the rapper, RC rapper, says, you know, it’s not a conspiracy theory if it keeps coming true. And I’m not going to comment on conspiracy theories but if you ask me, do you think these vaccines are going to have an impact on fertility, I think the answer is yes.

We’ve already seen that with the Moderna application and now with the fetal loss. Data fairly calculated from the New England Journal of Medicine study, there’s no doubt about it. Pregnant women are going to lose their babies if they take the vaccine. And it’s worse than that. Once they’ve conceived and they’re breastfeeding, we now have events in the Vaccine Adverse reporting system where women take the vaccine, they generate the spike protein, and we infer the spike protein goes through the milk and kills the baby.

So these vaccines need to stay away from babies and mothers and women who are trying to conceive. I mean, that can’t be a more clear message.

You know, women are concerned about drinking half a glass of wine during pregnancy. How in the world can they take a shot of a wildly experimental, unproven, unsafe vaccine for the first time? How could they ever do it? It’s almost as if Americans and doctors and everybody are just brainwashed together. They are brainwashed! They’ve been propagandized and they are blindly accepting something that they should just stay away from.”

Doctors getting silenced, threatened, fired for speaking out against the narrative

Mike Adams @32:58: “Well I think most of our audience would agree with that. And by the way, you mentioned earlier about the percentage of people getting the vaccine, and I think I’m proud to say close to zero percent of our audience has taken this vaccine. Very close to zero percent. Because they’re well educated and well informed.

But I want to ask you about possible pushback because, you know, many doctors have been threatened, censored, fired for speaking out. They’ve been silenced. Even early on. I remember New York City, back in late March of last year, one particular doctor was saying, ‘Woah! We need to be treating this as an oxygen deprivation condition affecting hemoglobin.’ And he was silenced! And this has happened ever since then. What kind of pushback are you getting? Are they trying to silence you from doing interviews like this?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “No, I have to tell you, I have over 600 peer-review publications. I’m the editor of two major journals, senior associate editor of a third. I’m the most published person in my field in the world. I’ve had covid-19 myself. I’ve suffered through it. My wife’s side of the family, we’ve had fatalities in her side of the family. I can tell you right now, I am supremely qualified to give my opinions. I have the right to give my opinions. And anybody who thinks they can threaten me or take me on, bring it on. No one’s had the guts to do it. And they would absolutely, positively be pummeled. And be ashamed.

Lack of courage and lack of compassion in the health care industry | Long line of shame

Peter McCullough @34:25: In fact, I’ve had a couple people in Indiana, I think they feel shame. They feel ashamed for their lack of courage and their lack of ability to compassionately help patients. Patients cried out for help. 600,000 of them cried out for help. Doctors, health care systems, and clinics turned them down. They suffered. Then they were hospitalized. They went into isolation, Mike, they never saw their families again and then they died.

We have a long, long line of shame. And there’s a lot of people walking that line of shame. Most of them can’t look me in the eye. I’ll tell you right now. They cannot look me in the eye. They are so ashamed of themselves.”

Awakening out of the trance | Facing the horrific blind actions of “just following orders”

Mike Adams @35:05: “Do you think that there will be, at some point, looking back, some kind of awakening? In previous interviews you’ve described some doctors as being almost like they’re in a trance. Or under a spell of some kind. Do you think that they will be able to awaken from that trance and look at what happened and recognize that that was not a high integrity practicing of medicine?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Some people have said that the awakening out of a trance will be like a Nazi war crime doctors. Where they’ll somehow come out of their trance and they’re going to be terrified at what they did. And I would bring obstetricians right to the very front. And when they come out of their trance and they realize in horror that they were advising pregnant women to get injections of genetic biological – these are gene transfer platforms. Wildly experimental, that produce in an uncontrolled manner, a dangerous protein for the human body that gouges blood vessels, causes blood clots.

We KNOW this. We’ve known that this is a blood-clotting illness for a long time. That they advise this – I think these obstetricians are going to wake up in a cold sweat and they’re going to be HORRIFIED with what they recommended! They are going to be – and it’s going to be – I gotta tell you, we have years of reckoning on this. We have years of reckoning. There is a line of shame that these doctors and nurses and mid-level providers, and clinics, and hospitals will walk, that is atrocious.

In pregnancy, above ALL conditions, it’s “primum non nocere”, we will never do harm to a pregnant woman. We would, you know, we have drugs. We have pregnancy classes, A, B and C. We would NEVER ever give a drug that we even thought had a chance of causing harm to a pregnant woman. Let alone just jack’em up with a genetic juice which we now know is absolutely, positively dangerous.

It is atrocious what’s going on right now and we can’t be more alarmed. I think any woman listening to this, who has any ounce of common sense, ought to absolutely talk to every other woman – and you know what? Have some real conversations with your obstetrician. Give them a phone call. Send an email. And say, ‘Listen. Wake up. What are you doing right here, right now? That’s causing harm.’

Worldwide distrust | Grandparents demanding grandchildren to get vaccinated

Mike Adams @37:22: “And now along with doctors at one point waking up, as you were just describing, do you think that there’s also a very real risk that… when all of this eventually comes out, and looking back on it that the public’s faith in the entire institution of medicine and science, may be so fractured that at that point the public may refuse to even consider helpful interventions and therapies that could save lives. Because all of it may be discredited at some point depending on how big this thing goes.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Right. So with things are really going off the rails, so public […] doesn’t trust the media, doesn’t trust the public agencies, doesn’t trust their doctors or doctor groups, and they don’t trust each other! They don’t trust – do you know right now that there are grandparents that say that they won’t see their grandchildren unless they’re vaccinated! So now they’re putting – and the grandparents are vaccinated. So now they’re putting the risk of blood clots and myocarditis and death onto their grandchildren and saying that they won’t see each other for Disney.

Colleges mandating vaccines for students while faculty (and the FDA/CDC/NIH) are not taking it.

Peter McCullough @38:25: Do you know we have 9% of colleges that are mandating the investigational vaccines. So they’re actually mandating their student bodies participate in research with this, which is openly dangerous biological products. They have no ability to help these youngsters. And you know in many of these colleges: there’s no policy, there’s no exemption process.

And do you know that in many of these colleges their faculties aren’t taking it! Now the FDA, the CDC and the NIH, they’re not taking the vaccine! They’re not taking it! And the faculty’s not taking it! So they’re going to make the students take it under duress!

So the vaccine has been propagandized and now socially weaponized so the universities can hurt the student population! Just like the obstetricians are hurting their patients. Like the grandparents are hurting their grandchildren.

Mike, something is REALLY disturbing; wrong. And there are so many players in this.

The need for integrity, courage, principles… and justice.

Mike Adams @39:23: “Well said, and we’re up against the time here, I mean, we can continue to talk. Maybe, hopefully you can come back and join us again but, I just want to say, the people watching this, thank you for your integrity. And thank you for your courage but also for sticking to your principles. You want evidence, you want to show efficacy, you want to reduce risk and save lives. And that’s what every doctor should be in America, and somehow that – that seems like it’s lost. And that’s what freaks people out as much covid. It’s that ‘who can we trust anymore?’

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Well, I gotta tell you, if there’s ever a time for courage, for integrity, for commitment to principles of medical ethics, and commitment to biomedical science, and lastly, a commitment to justice, now is the time. And listen, if that’s my role, and that’s your role, that’s our role that we’re serving right now. And America needs to get behind its heroes. Because we’ve got a long uphill battle. There is a disturbing trance that is basically like a black cloud over the world right now. And we’re trying to find a way out. There’s so much harm and suffering going on, and NONE of it is needed.”

Mike Adams: “And I’ll tell you, and you are one of the bright points of light in this darkness, and the AAPS, this is a shining moment for that organization. They are so right, they – I don’t even know what to say, but we’re going to interview, I think, other prominent people from the AAPS because their voices are desperately needed right now to save lives and end human suffering. And also help stop this pandemic.

So, thank you Dr. McCullough. It’s an honor to have you on. I really enjoyed this conversation. You’re a wonderful person; I really honor your knowledge and your courage. Thank you.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Thanks Mike. Great interview.”

Thank you to everyone reading and/or watching the interview. Please help spread the word and stay informed. Research is incredibly important, especially in these uncertain times and with the incredible amount of propaganda and deliberate media suppression.

Thank you to everyone exposing these corruptions.

Important Messages About Humanity/Civilizations from a High-Ranking Shaman | Credo Mutwa

Incredible information from a respected Spiritual Leader.

Searching for the truth is a difficult endeavor. Especially when deception and manipulation seems to run rampant in regards to our way of life, our history, even humanity’s very existence.

Why will I not accept simply living my life to the best of my ability, and largely only caring about my family, friends, my own work, monetary situations, hobbies, etc.?

Because I largely suspect that this is what got us into this apathetic situation to begin with. We have lost sight of what really matters. Yes, family and friends are important. But why should our care and compassion stop at them? Shouldn’t we be caring about THE WHOLE WORLD?

This whole excuse that you can only do so much and you only have one life to live so you might as well make the most of it by having as much fun and living it up as much as possible doesn’t sit right with me. It’s a smokescreen to get us to ignore important situations that occur all across the planet. And I am not okay with it. I think we need to go back to our roots, go back to looking within ourselves, and go back to our compassionate nature.

After digging around for information into our origin and how we used to live, I came across this very insightful interview with who was considered the most highest-ranking shaman in the world at the time: Credo Mutwa.

I am not saying that everything he is saying is true. But I am saying that what he’s recounting deserves reflection and an open mind into what may be possible. Our refusal to believe a particular narrative may have been our downfall all along. But what if we suspended our disbelief, and took this man’s words at heart, and really look at the theory presented to us?

What’s the worst that can happen? That it’s not true and we just made a fool of ourselves? Or that IT IS TRUE, and we need to do a complete 180 in our way of thinking, and come to terms with how we’ve been living our lives? And who we’ve been living our lives with?

I, for one, don’t care if I end up making a fool of myself. If it involves me bettering myself and my understanding of the world and why there’s so much strife and division, I am willing to take that chance. It is better than marching into this dystopian lifestyle that I see looming before us. If humanity can, as a collective whole, raise our consciousness and awareness into who we really are and our capabilities, and start resisting this demiurge that has been dictating and trying to control our emotions and state of being, then the world can be a beautiful, benevolent place.

Credo Mutwa, in an incredibly heartfelt interview, is pleading with the world to open their eyes, heart and mind into considering an alternative account; one that, unfortunately, many scorn and laugh at.

The following are some key points that I have highlighted from his interview. The whole interview is fascinating and definitely worth checking out in full, but wanted to focus on these particular mentions.

Credo Mutwa (Important Insights):

(All quotes are from Credo Mutwa, unless otherwise stated.)

Peaceful, spiritual life in the beginning

“The world was thickly covered with great forests, great jungles, and people lived in peace on Earth at that time. People were happy and it is said, at that time, we human beings did not have the power of speech. We only made funny sounds like happy monkeys and baboons, but we did not have speech as we now have it. And in those centuries, people spoke to each other through their mind.

A man could call his wife thinking about her, thinking about the shape of her face, the smell of her body, and the feel of hair as a woman. That a hunter would go out into the bush and call out for animals to come, and the animals would select one of their number which was old and tired, and this animal would offer itself to the hunter so that he may kill it quickly and take it as meat to his cave.

There was no violence against animals. There was no violence against Nature by human beings at that time. Man used to ask for food from Nature. He used to come to a tree and think about fruit, and the tree would allow some of its fruit to fall to the ground, and man would take it.”

Who is dictating our lives behind the scenes?

“This name is Chitauli [Chitauri]. Now, the word Chitauli means “the dictators, the ones who tell us the law”. In other words, “they who tell us, secretly, what we are to do”. Now, it is said that these Chitauli did a number of things to us when they came to this planet.”

“And the Chitauli told human beings, whom they gathered together by force with whips of lightning, that they were great gods from the sky and that from now on they would receive a number of great gifts from the god.”

“These creatures then took away the great powers that human beings had:

– the power of speaking through the mind only
– the power of moving objects with their mind only
– the power of seeing into the future and into their past
– the power to travel, spiritually, to different worlds

All of these great powers the Chitauli took away from human beings and they gave human beings a new power, now, the power of speech.

But, human beings found, to their horror, that the power of speech divided human beings, instead of uniting them, because the Chitauli cunningly created different languages, and they caused a great quarrel between people.

Also, the Chitauli did something which has never been done before: they gave human beings people to rule over them, and they said, “These are your kings, these are your chiefs. They have our blood in them. They are our children, and you must listen to these people because they will speak on our behalf. If you don’t, we are going punish you very terribly.”

Before the coming of the Chitauli, before the coming of the Imbulu creatures, human beings were spiritually one.

But when the Chitauli came, human beings became divided, both spiritually as well as by language.

– And then, human beings were given strange new feelings by the Chitauli. Human beings started to feel unsafe…
– Human beings became ambitious and greedy and they wanted to acquire wealth…
– And, another thing the Chitauli forced human beings to do, they forced human beings to mine into the Earth.”

Several tribes describe similar creatures:

“Throughout South Africa, amongst many tribes, you’ll find stories of these amazing creatures who are capable of changing from reptile to human being, and from reptile to any other animal of their choice. And these creatures, sir, do really exist. No matter where you go throughout Southern, Eastern, Western, and Central Africa, you’ll find that the description of these creatures is the same.

Even amongst tribes which never, throughout their long history, had contact with each other at all.

So, there ARE such creatures. Where they come from, I will never claim to know, sir. But they are associated with certain stars in the sky, and one of these stars is a large group of stars which is part of the Milky Way, which our people call Ingiyab, which means “The Great Serpent”. And there is a red star, a reddish star, near the tip of this huge rim of stars which our people call IsoneNkanyamba.

Now, this star called IsoneNkanyamba, I managed to find its English name. It is the star called Alpha Centauri, in English. Now, this, sir, is something that is worth investigating. Why is it that well over 500 tribes in parts of Africa which I’ve visited in the last 40 or 50 years or so, all of them describe similar creatures?”

What do the creatures feed on?:

“They hide in deep cavities underground, because they are always feeling cold. In these cavities, we are told, there are huge fires which are kept going by slaves, human, zombie-like slaves. And, it is further said that these Zuswazi, these Imbulu, or whatever you choose to call them, are not capable of eating solid food.

They either eat human blood, or they eat that power, the energy that is generated when human beings, on the surface of the Earth, are fighting and killing each other in large numbers.

I met people who have fled from the early Masaki in Rwanda, from years ago, and these people were horrified by what was happening in their country. They said that the slaughter of the Hutus by the Watusi, and the Watusi by the Hutus, is actually feeding the Imanujela, monsters.

Because the Imanujela like to inhale the energy that is generated by masses of people being terrified or being killed by other people.”

Terrible ritualistic sacrifice to “cure” a sick Chitauli:

“- one of the things that the Chitauli like to do in their underground caves, where many fires are always kept ablaze, we are told, is that when a Chitauli gets sick and starts to lose a large area of skin on his body, it is said that there is a disease that the Chitauli suffer from which causes them to lose large areas of their skin, leaving only raw flesh.

When the Chitauli gets sick this way, a young girl, a virgin, is usually kidnapped by the servant of the Chitauli and is brought to the underground place. There the girl is bound, hand and foot, and wrapped in a golden blanket, and is forced to lie next to the Chitauli, the sick Chitauli, week after week, being well fed and well cared for, but kept bound hand and foot, and only released at certain times to relieve herself.

It is said that after the sick Chitauli shows signs of getting better, then the human girl is manipulated into trying to escape. She is given a chance to escape, a chance which is really not a chance.

Then, when the girl escapes, she runs, but she is pursued over a long distance underground by flying creatures which are made of metal, and she is recaptured when she reaches the height of fear and exhaustion.

Then she is laid on an altar, usually a rough rock, flat on top. Then, she is cruelly sacrificed, sir, and her blood is drunk by the sick Chitauli, which then recovers. But, the girl must not be sacrificed until she is very, very, very frightened, because if she is not frightened, it is said that her blood will not save the sick Chitauli. It must be the blood of a very frightened human being, indeed.”

Our planet becoming a wasteland:

“Now, sir, another thing that the Chitauli told our people, it is said, is that we human beings are here on Earth to change the Earth and to make it suitable for “God” to come down one day and dwell in it. And it is said that they who work to change this Earth and make it safe for the serpent god, the Chitauli, to come and dwell in it, will be rewarded with great power and with great wealth.

Sir, as I have watched over many years of study, over many years of initiation of the mysteries of African shamanism, wisdom, and knowledge, I have found myself wondering why we human beings are actually destroying the Earth on which we live.”

“We are doing something which is only done by one other species of animal, namely, the African elephant, which utterly destroys every tree in the place in which it dwells.

We human beings are doing exactly this. And wherever you go in Africa, where once there were great ancient civilizations, you find desert.

For example, there is the Kalahari desert in South Africa, and under the sands of that desert, I have found the ruins of ancient cities, which means that human beings turned this stretch of land, which was once green and fertile, into a desert.

And, in days when I was with explorers and safari people in the Sahara regions of Africa, I also found evidence of unbelievably ancient human habitation in places where there is nothing now but angry rock and whispering sand.

In other words, the Sahara Desert was once a fertile country and was turned into a desert by human beings. Why? I must ask myself, again and again, why are human beings being driven by insecurity, greed, and lust of power to turn the Earth into a desert in which, ultimately, no human being would ever be able to live? Why?

Although we are all aware of the terrible dangers that this will bring about, why are we cutting huge areas of jungle in Africa? Why are we on Earth carrying out the instructions which the Chitauli programmed into us?”

Being programmed to march into our own destruction:

“One other thing that our people say is that the Chitauli prey upon us like vultures. They raise some of us, they fill some of us with great anger and great ambition, and they make these people they’ve raised into great warriors who make terrible war. But, in the end, the Chitauli do not allow these great leaders, these great war chiefs and kings, to die peacefully.

The warrior chief is used to make as much war as possible, to kill as many of his people, and those he calls enemies, as possible, and then, in the end, the warrior chief dies a terrible death – “

“- there is a certain power that is guiding we human beings toward the dark river of self-destruction.

And the sooner many of us become aware of this, the better, perhaps, we might be able to deal with it.”

“There ARE such creatures, and the sooner skeptics amongst us face up to this fact, the better it shall be. Why is human-kind not progressing? Why are we running around in a great circle of self-destruction and mutual-destruction?”

Depopulation / extermination of Africa:

“But, why is Africa drowning in war, in disease, and in hunger? Why?

Many times, sir, I sit in my hut and I cry when I see diseases like AIDS destroying us; when I see senseless wars destroying those countries in Africa which had thrived for thousands of years.

Say, Ethiopia is a country that has been free for thousands of years. Ethiopia was once the school of all of Africa. Nigeria was once a great country with a long tradition of self-government – long, long before the White man came to Africa. But today, all of these countries and many others are being destroyed.

Today, sir, there are parts of Africa which have been totally depopulated by war and by the disease called AIDS, a disease which shows every sign of being a man-made disease. I ask myself, “Who or what is destroying Africa, and why?”

Because there are tribes in those villages I lived in, who assisted my search for knowledge, before the Second World War and after. But today these tribes no longer exist anymore. They are gone, dispersed, totally exterminated in senseless wars that gain the Black people nothing.

I am in South Africa now. Here I was born, and here I was to die. But I see my country falling apart like a rotting mango. South Africa was once a powerful country. She had a powerful army. She had huge industries, which were producing everything from locomotives to little radios. But today my country has become a drug-sodden, crime-ridden piece of rubbish. Why? A country doesn’t get destroyed almost overnight, unless there are definite forces which are determined to obliterate it.”

Division created within each other:

“There are wars which take place in Africa, where after an African country has gained its independence from the colonial power, then a force of rebels pick up weapons against that country’s government, but instead of the rebels fighting the government to the bitter end, what happens again and again is that the rebel forces split into various groups which end up fighting not only the government in power, but also each other.

And the result is that, in several African countries, the country is so destroyed that, no matter which party wins, the people lose.

The United Nations are caused to be called in, in order to create some semblance of peace. In other words, Africans have now started fighting wars which bring about not victory, but the destruction of themselves, as well as their people.”

Rick Martin: “Now, it’s been said – I’ve heard that these beings are very controlling and they thrive on “divide and conquer”.

Credo Mutwa: “Yes, they do, sir. They set human being against human being. I could give you many amusing examples, using some African language, how the Chitauli are said to have divided human beings.

They like – do you know who they like, sir? They like religious fanatics.”

Credo Sutwa’s heart-wrenching plea to America:

“Because, sir, genocide, worse than anything that Hitler ever committed upon the Jewish people, is taking place in Africa NOW, and the people of America don’t seem to care a damn. Why? We are the best friends that the United States has got. We are the best people. We buy American products.

Our children want to look like American children. Our kids wear jeans, sir, and they even speak with American accents, because you American people are our role model. Why are you allowing us to be slaughtered? Why? Why?”

“I am asking the people of the United States of America, I am asking my Black brothers and my Black sisters over there, why are you allowing the country which is your mother to be exterminated?”

Who humanity is at the core:

“People are basically good; I believe this. People don’t want to start wars. People don’t want to destroy the world in which they stay, but there are creatures, or there is power that is driving we human beings toward self-annihilation. And the sooner we recognize this, the better.”

“Look, please, sir. Anyone who studies humanity with love, with understanding, and with care, recognizes the fact that there is a shining God which is struggling to be born within each and every one of us. We are trying to fight back, although many of us are not yet aware of this. We are developing an attitude of wanting to protect our planet, no matter who or what we are.

There are chiefs in Africa who fine you very heavily if they see you destroying a tree unnecessarily. This thing was common in the past, but it disappeared with the coming of the White people; but now it has come back again.

Man is becoming, is struggling to become a more advanced, more caring being, and the aliens are not going to take this lying down. They are going to cause us to kill each other, again. And I am worried about what is going to happen.”

“Today a big-game hunter is no longer looked upon as a hero, but rather as a murderer. Today there are men and women, Black and White, who are prepared to risk their lives to save trees, to save animals, and to stop the insanity of testing nuclear weapons.

Sir, what does this tell you? It tells you that, after many thousands of years of being dominated by alien creatures, human beings are starting to fight back. Human beings are starting to care about the world in which they live and in which they find themselves.”

Calls for investigations into these different beings:

“One day I hope to share more of this information with your readers, but my appeal, again, is this: Please investigate! Please, let us investigate! Let us stop being too skeptical. Excessive skepticism is just as dangerous and as evil as gullibility.”

“We must investigate, sir, because there is every sign that the alien creatures sharing this planet with us are getting desperate. Why? Because, you see, there is a great fight shaping up, and anyone who thinks deeply about such things can see this fight coming.”

Reference to Jabulon [Jahbulon] and freemasons:

“Jabulon, sir, is a very strange god. He is supposed to be the leader of the Chitauli. He is a god, to my great surprise, which I find certain groups of White people, especially, worshipping.

We have known about Jabulon for many, many centuries, we Black people. But I am surprised that there are White people who worship this god, and these people, amongst them are people whom many have blamed for all the things that have happened on this Earth, namely, the Freemason people.

We believe that Jabulon is the leader of the Chitauli. He is the Old One.”

Rick Martin: “It would seem that this Jabulon would be the equivalent of what, in the West, we call Satan. Would you say that?”

Credo Mutwa: “I think so, yes, sir. He is the chief of the Chitauli. And, like Satan, he lives in a house underground where great fires are always lighted, to keep him warm.

Because, we are told, that after the great war they fought with God, they became cold in their blood and they cannot stand freezing weather, which is why they require human blood, and also they require fire always to be kept working where they are.”

Message of Hope | Spiritual awakening:

Rick Martin: “Well, it is said, and I believe this to be true, that there is a – for lack of a better way of putting it – there is a war between Light and Dark, Good and Evil, on this planet.”

Credo Mutwa: “Yes. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes.”

Rick Martin: “And there certainly is a God in His Universe, a God of Light and Justness.”

Credo Mutwa: “Yes, sir.”

” – there IS hope! Look, first of all, there IS a God above us. And this God is more real than most of us believe.

God is not a figment of someone’s imagination. God is not something dreamt-up by old men and old women in prehistoric times. God exists, sir. But standing between us and God are creatures who claim to be gods.”

“Sir, I have lived a long and very strange life, and I can tell you that there is a God, and He is intervening. However, we see God’s intervening as slow, but wait: Who would have thought that less than 30 years ago, not one person cared about the environment. Who put this sudden Godliness within all of us?

Today, sir, people everywhere in the world are standing up and fighting for the rights of women and for the rights of children. Who has put these ideas into our minds? Not the Chitauli, not any demonic entity, it is God acting in the shadow and making us strong -“

“And it is God, sir, who, for the first time in our existence, is making us aware of these things, making us aware that on this world we are not alone, and that we must be soul-ly and solely responsible for our actions, and we must neutralize these alien beings who for years have led us around in circles.”

“There is hope, and the hope is very bright. A Christ-child is being born in all of us, but like all deaths, the death of the Light-child (the death of the old-self prior to transformation into “Christness”) is going to be attended by great danger, as the enemy is going to be driven into desperation. The enemy will make mistakes and we will conquer him in God’s sacred name.

That is what I believe, sir, and that is what I’m going to hold-on believing until my last breath.”

Stop the censorship / stop the ridicule | Seek The Truth:

Credo Mutwa: “We will overcome, we will overcome, but skeptics must stop laughing, and fools must stop calling these aliens, god. There is only ONE God, and He or She or It is the One who created us, and not some impostor who came from somewhere else to hide behind us and to drink our children’s blood. Amen, sir.”

Rick Martin: “Yes, absolutely right. Credo, please know that I deeply appreciate what you have done and the courage of just speaking frankly. It’s past time to hold onto these things, and it’s time to just speak The Truth. And for those who don’t believe or even consider possibilities, well, it’s just too bad.”

Credo Martin: “Exactly, and also to confront people with the fact that there is no reason to fear anything.

If we go from a perspective of making information available that should be available to every single person on this blooming planet, why the hell are they trying to threaten you to keep quiet? If it’s so ridiculous, let it be. Stop assassinating and ridiculing and destroying people by churning-up fear.

This is the perspective I come from, and I’m sure David, as well, and obviously you, as well, do too. I don’t have fear anymore.

It’s time that we speak out and that we acquire a consciousness – a global, common consciousness – and get this thing to the front. Thank you, so much, I really appreciate it.”

To read the whole interview with Rick Martin, please visit: bibliotecapleyades.net | Credo Mutwa

There is also this lengthy, but equally as captivating interview between Credo Mutwa and David Icke. Although it covers many of the same subjects, it is fascinating as well and gives additional context to the interview with Mr. Martin.

Source: odysee | Kinninigan | The Reptilian Agenda With Shaman Credo Mutwa

Sadly, Credo Mutwa passed away last year on March 25th, 2020. I am very glad we were given the opportunity to hear this incredible account of his background and history, and the beliefs of the African people. While all of it may sound too incredulous to take in, I think it is high time to let go of any preconceived notions, realize that this world is full of mystery, and that there is still universal wisdom to be found in order to uncover the true nature of our reality.

Bless Credo Mutwa, and Mr. Martin and Mr. Icke, for helping this man’s voice be heard. May he rest in peace.

Fact checking is extremely important. I want to reiterate not to take everything at face value; no matter what you read, where you read it from, or who you hear it from. And to be clear, do not rely on “fact checking” websites to give you accurate information either. These are just as likely, (if not even more likely…), to feed false information and false debunking accounts to manipulate the reader. Please take everything into consideration before adhering to a certain narrative – and always keep your mind open to other possibilities.

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Genesis 15: God’s Covenant with Abram

Earnest Examination

This series is presented as an honest, sincere look into the study of the Bible with my own personal theories, opinions, comments and that of others’ insights and research into what the verses could mean. I cannot claim one way or another that everything that I am stating is fact and the true meaning of what is meant in these verses.

To lay it out in a way that I can manage, I have highlighted the texts of verses that I either don’t understand or have a comment or question about in yellow. And the comments I’ve left beneath it will be of a smaller font and using brown text.

I would love it if you’d join me in this journey and if you have any insights and/or knowledge of these chapters/verses etc., please feel free to share with me and the other readers. Any chance to get a clearer understanding of the Bible and Jesus Christ would be welcomed with open arms.

Version used is from (KJV) Genesis 15

1 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”
I want to point out the small phrase, “in a vision”. What does this mean, exactly? “In a vision” doesn’t necessarily imply “in a dream”. Was Abram fully awake during this vision? Was he daydreaming? Prophesying? Actually dreaming? Was it a vision in a dream? And how did Abram know that this vision was from the Lord? Did he test this vision? Or just accept it as coming from the Lord? I only pursue this question because we are always told to test spirits, test visions, discern… so that we may not be led astray. Am I implying that Abram possibly was seeing visions from a different entity? Well, I’m not exactly implying anything, but I am attempting to shed light on this matter that to be discerning means to question and search for the Truth, however uncomfortable it may be. And it is my effort to find out if Abram KNEW, from every fiber of his being, if this vision truly came from God or was he being deceived.
2 But Abram said, “Lord God, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”
…I also wonder about bloodlines, which is clearly what is meant in this verse. Abram is concerned about preserving his bloodline… although, if we take the creation account to heart, then we are all born of Adam and Eve – again, if there’s nothing more to this account – and so the specific pursuit to carry on one’s own bloodline is a fascinating subject to me. Even back then there was so much separation and animosity, quite possibly due to the separation at the Tower of Babel (although even within Cain and Abel’s own family there was already strife and conflict) created families who considered themselves separate from everyone else. It’s interesting and makes me wonder if there’s something more to this history than what most of us were/are led to believe.
3 Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!”
How important is “blood”? Is it about the blood? The DNA? The questions I’m wondering is, why was Abram chosen to be the “people of God”? I haven’t been able to study the Talmud, the Q’uran, Kabbalah, Testament of Abraham, the Ugaritic texts, etc. and it is something that I definitely want to look into in order to get a broader picture of who Abraham is and his descendants. Since Abraham is widely believed to be the line of the C”hosen Ones”, I feel it’s important to find out how, why, for what purpose, etc., etc.
According to this verse, no other bloodline is going to cut it. His adopted son does not suffice. So why is Abraham’s line so important? Why was he chosen?

4 And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.”
5 Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”
6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
7 Then He said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”
8 And he said, “Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?”

This is interesting as well, because while the Lord God promised Abram the whole world, basically, Jesus Christ’s teachings is to “come out of this world” and inherit the kingdom of God (Heaven). So I find the stark contrast between these two teachings as very intriguing and worth further consideration.
9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.”
10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two.

These verses confuse me even more. So the Lord God told Abram to bring Him all of these animals, with no further context to it, but then in the very next verse Abram takes it upon himself to cut them in half and place each piece opposite the other. …Am I missing something here? Is this some kind of ritualistic sacrifice? How does Abram come to the conclusion that this is the act that he must do when God told him to bring those animals to Him? Is it the act of bringing death upon the animals is symbolic of bringing the animals to God? And even if so, why do it in such a specific manner as to cut them in half? And why not the birds? Do these questions get answered in other texts or further verses/chapters of the Bible? This just seems very strange to me and screams of ritualistic sacrifice. Perhaps akin to witchcraft.
Is that blasphemous? Or am I just stating a well-earned speculation that Abram’s actions may be paganistic? It is not my intention to condemn or blaspheme the word of God, but only to raise much needed questions and consideration of the texts and belief structures that it proposes. I am a believer in God and Jesus Christ, and the pursuit of Truth. “Truth” does not mean to blindly listen to certain texts/words/teachings of others, but to sincerely study and learn our surroundings and pray for insight so that we may not be led astray. That is what I am attempting to do.

11 And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.
12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him.
…Hm… this lends further credence that the act that Abram performed may have been ritualistic in nature. What is this “horror and great darkness” that fell upon him? Demonic, perhaps?
Not to mention, in some other translations of this verse, they don’t say “a deep sleep” fell upon Abram:

“12 And when the sun was gone down, dread felled on Abram, and a great hideousness and dark assailed him. (And as the sun went down, fear fell upon Abram, and a great dark hideousness assailed him.)”Wycliffe Bible

Sometimes I refer back to the Wycliffe version, since it seems to be the earliest English translation there is, and in his version it does not say that Abram fell into a deep sleep, but rather that dread and fear fell upon him. And the term “assail”, at least in today’s time, implies that he was attacked by this “great dark hideousness”.
13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years.
14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions.

So I’m trying to understand the transition of these past few verses. I can infer a few speculations (but I suppose ‘speculations’ they will remain):

1. The horror and great darkness that befell Abram was the entity that has been speaking to Abram as the word of the Lord. Assailing Abram with his power? His authority? Physically assaulting Abram? Maybe… spiritually?
2. The horror and great darkness was an inclination, a gut feeling, that something bad will happen – follow that up with the Lord saying that his descendants will be in trouble for a few years may have given him this fear/dread. Certainly very likely. Although it doesn’t seem to explain the term “assailed” that was originally used as the translation.
3. Perhaps because of the Lord gifting Abram and his descendants with the land and various possessions, it made the dark entities jealous and wrathful – therefore the darkness is the acknowledgement that Abram’s descendants will go through some hardships in order to rise above these dark entities and inherit the land.

Now, this brings me again to the land and the possessions. I can’t help but keep going back to Jesus Christ’s teachings that worldly possessions mean NOTHING in the eyes of the Lord. In fact, he teaches that those who have riches and wealth and all these possessions are on the WRONG PATH to Heaven. Yet in these biblical teachings, Abram has been chosen to inherit the land and the riches in them. …Am I the only one who doesn’t quite understand this dichotomy? But then I am also reminded of the verse in Matthew 5 where it says that the meek shall inherit the Earth. So here we have Abram and his descendants, being promised inherited land and wealth/possessions, and then here’s Jesus saying that the meek will inherit the land. Are Abram and his descendants meek? Did Jesus offer up sacrifices to God to earn His good graces? Am I speaking out of turn and just not understanding the symbolic or universal workings of the world?

15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.
More interesting implications here, that seem to point to Abram performing a ritualistic spell and/or sacrifice. I know I may get pushback against this speculation, but again, it is NOT to offend anyone. It is only to offer up what an honest look into these verses may provoke in someone who hasn’t studied the Bible and other texts extensively and who is on a sincere path to understanding the Bible and its teachings. From an unbiased and subjective look into these verses, it seems as if Abram is performing witchcraft. Perhaps that is just how people worshipped back in those days, and I can somewhat understand that. And perhaps that is why Jesus Christ came to begin with, to show us that we no longer (or have ever) need to perform these rituals and instead look to being kind and loving to one another and believe in Him to have everlasting life. Of course, that doesn’t explain why this Lord at this time asked to have certain animals brought to him, and doesn’t explain how Abram knew how to set up this altar of sorts.
And speaking of this altar, where did this “smoking oven” and the “burning torch” come from? And it just so happened to ceremoniously pass in between the cut pieces of the animals… It seems quite obvious that this was on purpose and that Abram knew to do this. But how? Who taught him to offer up these animals to the Lord in this manner? And what is the smoking oven that just allegedly appeared out of nowhere? It does not do my peace of mind well to make this connection to Moloch, a terrible deity who is often portrayed as having a furnace or oven for a stomach in which to throw sacrifices into – sacrifices that tragically included (includes?) babies/children. Take another translation from Wycliffe, for example:


“17 Therefore when the sun was gone down, a dark mist was made, and a furnace smoking appeared, and a lamp of fire, and (it) passed through those partings. (And when the sun had gone down, a dark mist came, and a smoking furnace appeared, and a lamp of fire which passed between the pieces of the animals.)”

This is extremely suspicious to me. And I feel rather at odds because as far as I’ve researched, I have not come across a lot of sources making this connection. Am I completely in the wrong here? Why am I having this red flag when it comes to this sacrificial act and the “dark mist” and oven/furnace that just so happened to appear (manifest?) out of nowhere to “pass (collect?)” these sacrifices? I am actually quite perplexed that I don’t see many references to this as even being a possibility. I can’t be the only one who finds these texts suspicious…
18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—
19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites,
20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim,
21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

I know sometimes it would seem as if I’m questioning the veracity of the Bible’s origins, and while that may be true in some sense, it is not meant to presume, condemn, or ridicule, and certainly not meant to certify the propositions I set forth. And I definitely don’t mean to insult or offend anyone, especially not God. It is only to get a clearer understanding of the meanings of the Bible, and the possibility that during so many transitions and translation efforts, and perhaps intentional/unintentional mishandling and misinterpretations, that the Truth along the way may have been concealed more than we’d like.

And as usual, I want to reiterate that some of my thoughts and theories may be way off base, and I also research some other things on the side as well to try and get a broader understanding of what I’m reading, so please bear with me, or, even better, if you have insights that bring more light to these verses, please let me know.

I enjoy bouncing off theories and theology off of each other and love to hear other people’s perspectives on things. Thank you for reading and I look forward to hearing from you!

Fact checking is extremely important. I want to reiterate not to take everything at face value; no matter what you read, where you read it from, or who you hear it from. And to be clear, do not rely on “fact checking” websites to give you accurate information either. These are just as likely, (if not even more likely…), to feed false information and false debunking accounts to manipulate the reader. Please take everything into consideration before adhering to a certain narrative – and always keep your mind open to other possibilities.

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