Jerm Warfare Interview with Dr. Zelenko: “These “vaccines”, which I call ‘poison death shots’ “

“The only reason you’d vaccinate your child is if you believe in child sacrifice.”

Dr. Zelenko, the doctor who created a treatment protocol for COVID, sits down with Jerm Warfare to discuss COVID, the dangers of the vaccines, and the worldwide suppression and agendas that are occurring around us.

The below video of the interview has been transcribed in full, with some embellishment added for emphasis.

Intro message from Dr. Zelenko: “Hi, my name is Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, I’m the original owner of the Zelenko protocol, which is a pre-hospital treatment for COVID-19.

What I believe is going on: that the enemies of humanity have weaponized fear and anxiety in order to effectuate a change in your life to mold society into the direction that they believe to be correct. And that involves taking away our freedom, and anxiety is a tool to which they enslave us.

So I’m here just to give you a simple message: that COVID-19 is highly treatable. There are treatment approaches as well as prevention – preventive, prophylactic approaches, and there’s no need to be afraid. There’s plenty of information available and even over the counter options without prescriptions that can save your life. You really don’t have any reason to be afraid once you have the right information. The information will set your mind and your soul free. And you don’t have to live with paralyzing anxiety.”

Jerm Warfare @1:54: “My name is Jerm. This is Jerm Warfare, the battle of ideas. That was the face and the voice of Dr. Vladimir Zelenko who is joining me right now on the other side.

It’s a great pleasure, Dr. Zelenko. Thank you for being here.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “Thank you so much for having me.”

Jerm Warfare: “You posted a video saying that your cancer has returned.”

” – worst global crime in the history of humanity.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko @2:18: “Yeah, I have a very rare – actually the rarest form of cancer there is. And there’s around 10 cases a year in the world. Always found at autopsy. And I was diagnosed with it three and half years ago during an emergency surgery, where they thought that I had a blood clot and turned out to be a tumor that killed my right lung in the pulmonary artery. I had that resected and I went through very difficult chemo which I had to design myself, cause there was no treatment available.

And that was good for two years, and then it came back last summer. Had another open heart surgery and had my heart valves replaced because of the tumor. And then just last week I found out it came back again, again in the pulmonary artery. And so now we’re putting together a plan to deal with this, but the game is not over. I’m very hopeful and optimistic about the future. Both mine and that of the world.

I really believe that my heart is still beating because of the prayers and the positive energy of so many decent people around the world. It’s what happened last time. I had millions of people praying. And so statistically, naturally I shouldn’t really be talking to you. I should be under the ground. And yet God has spared me for now, and I ended up, just a few years after having this type of cancer diagnosed, being the tip of the spear of the worst global crime in the history of humanity. And so part of the reason I was spared is becoming… revealed to me, I would say. But God’s ways are very mysterious, so.”

Jerm Warfare: “If you get through, which I’m hoping you will, you can call it the Zelenko Miracle.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “Well, listen, it’s already a miracle, every second of my life. And your life is a miracle. And those are things that we don’t necessarily focus on or appreciate, until our lives are threatened.

See the address between life and death is something very familiar to me. And so when someone lives in that state of being, you realize that: I want to say Happy Birthday to you. And not because – I don’t really think it’s your biological birthday, but what it is, is that every second of existence is a recreation; creation ex nihilo, something from nothing. God is making us in the present tense. And so since we’re being made every nano-second, that implies a few things. That He knows about us, He cares about us, He wants us to be. And if He wants us to be then you’re never alone. If you’re never alone there’s no room for anxiety.”

Government’s protocol: ‘Send them home and give them tylenol’
Meanwhile, patients were getting sicker and eventually put on ventilators – in which 80% DIED.

Jerm Warfare @5:08: “This – let’s go back 18 months or so. Life was somewhat normal, and then suddenly this weird thing happened.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “So I didn’t choose COVID, it chose me. What I mean by that is that I was practicing family medicine in upstate New York, in a small community of 35,000 people that live within a square mile. Very high population density. And when COVID arrived, it spread to everyone. Immediately. And I found my practice, my little practice of – we used to see 50 patients a day – inundated with over 250 patients. And there was no treatment at that time.

The government was telling us, “Send people home. Give them tylenol. When they get sicker, send them to the hospital. They’ll end up on a respirator.” And 80% were dying… on the ventilator. So that didn’t seem like a good idea to me. So, just like 3 years before, I had to develop my own cancer treatment, because nothing existed. I figured, well, why not innovate and find something to help my patients. These are people that I care about; these are people that I’ve cared about for 2 decades.

And so, I actually prayed; at 2 o’clock in the morning. I couldn’t sleep – You know, when people look at you and say, “Doctor, please help us.” And they – and you care about them, and then you have nothing to offer them. It’s a terrible feeling.

It’s, it’s – so, I just was studying what other countries have been doing. And something made sense to me. That in South Korea they were using hydroxychloroquine and zinc. And France, in Marseille, France, they were using hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin. And I understood the mechanism of action of these drugs and I said, you know, why don’t we just combine the three of them, modify the dosing and see what happens? Why not? This is battlefield medicine. You know? This is World War 3, the whole world is fighting the same virus, there’s no studies, there’s nothing that I could rely upon. So what do you do? You innovate.

They say necessity is the mother of all innovation. I had a necessity. I had to take care of my patients. I’m an outpatient doctor. Meaning pre-hospital doctor. My job is to keep people out of the hospital. That’s what I’ve always done, 20 years, in every other aspect of medicine. So why would I allow my patients to go home and just get sicker? It didn’t make sense.”

Dr. Zelenko develops a treatment protocol for COVID

@7:38: “So, since I understood the virology, I understood that this virus is an RNA virus that uses certain pathway for viral replication, and I found out that zinc inhibits that process, so zinc was the bullet. And I said, okay. But there was a problem with zinc. It didn’t get into the cell. Due to biochemical reasons. And so it was having like a bullet without a gun. So I needed a gun.

And it turned out that hydroxychloroquine is a zinc delivery system. So zinc ionophore; it lets zinc go from outside the cell to inside the cell. And by doing that we were able to inhibit the RNA dependent RNA polymerase; it’s just an enzyme, but all the COVID strains were using to… to use to make copies of themselves. And I shut down viral replication. So in other words, zinc was able to get to the right place at the right time, and stop the virus from making copies of itself. So that was the mechanism of action.

It was theoretical, but I deployed it. I also didn’t treat everyone. I treated the high-risk patients. And the way I found out who was high-risk, I just called the ICU near me, and I asked the doctor there, who is dying? And they said to me, “well, the old people and the people with chronic illnesses.” I said, “How about the younger people?” They said, “We’re not seeing them in ICU.” So right away I knew that this virus doesn’t kill equally.

So, I didn’t have any resources. Half my staff was sick, the outpatient service was like ‘blood-draw’, and radiology were closed. The hospitals were at near capacity. So I was like walking through my office; it was like a bomb went off. A mass casualty event – people all over. And so I had to triage. I had to make decisions; who to, who would get my attention. And who was low-risk enough that I can send them home. So I basically sent home everyone who wasn’t dying and it was young. And left the older patients; all those that had chronic medical problems.”

Treatment needs to be started IMMEDIATELY – against government “recommendations”

@9:46: “And I started treating them immediately. I didn’t wait for the results of tests. The tests took a week to get back. If I would wait a week, by the time the test result came back, the patient was dead. So instead of – I did the test, but I wouldn’t wait to treat – I used my head and said, “well, you know, the whole community has COVID, there’s no flu, they have all the symptoms, they’ve been exposed, this person has COVID.” Until proven otherwise. And I would treat them immediately. Within the first few days of the onset of symptoms.

From the moment I did that, people stopped going to the hospital and dying. So initially I didn’t believe it. I thought it was a fluke or – I couldn’t believe – But after 50 patients or so, I realized that I… stumbled across, or God gave a gift, of something that is a potential answer to a global problem that has no treatment.”

“Look, COVID is two diseases. There’s the viral infection phase, which is… lasts around 5 days/6 days. And then the immune reaction, your body’s immune system goes on overdrive and it’s the body’s immune reaction that kills the person. It destroys the lungs and causes blood clots. But the immune reaction does not start until a week – 6-7 days into the illness. So the key is to destroy the virus before then, so that the immune reaction, so the monster doesn’t wake up. We have a latent monster inside us – the immune system, in this particular case, and it’s ready to destroy the person. And it takes around a week to wake up. So if we could treat this infection within the first few days, it never wakes up. No problem. Patients get better.”

Media and NIH against the use of hydroxychloroquine – not interested in the treatment of COVID

Jerm Warfare @11:35: “Now, the elephant in the room is the amount of negative press, as you are well aware, surrounding hydroxychloroquine. I mean, Donald Trump, he spoke very highly of it. And funnily enough he took your treatment, didn’t he? As well as a bunch of people in the White House.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “Yeah, I ended up treating most of them. What happened was that I made a video addressed to the president, telling – I felt like a front line soldier that found an important enemy map. I needed to get it to the five-star general immediately. Didn’t have time to go through the chain of command.

So I made a video and it was addressed to the president, and the next day his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, calls me on my cell phone. I’m not making – I wouldn’t believe it unless it happened to me. But that’s what happened. And then I told him what I was doing; they were interested. Two days later the commissioner of the FDA is calling me on my cell phone, in Wuhan.

@12:32: And then the – because no one knew what to do. Don’t you understand that at that time, I wasn’t saying that my treatment is the best treatment. I was saying it’s the only treatment! So, so people were looking for solutions. And so then he referred me to the NIH, which was a deadend. They weren’t interested.

And then Rudy Giuliani called me. And I ended up doing a podcast with Rudy; became my good friend. And millions of people saw it. And from that podcast my life has never been the same again. Um, so that’s how people got to know me. And I’ve ended up advising governments and hospital systems and thousands of other physicians.

Um, so I also sent a letter to the president after a few hundred patients summarizing my experience and making my recommendations. And I didn’t know if the president got it or not. Until there was a news conference where President Trump announces to the world that he’s taking hydroxychloroquine. And he says, “Yeah, I got a letter from a, your upstate New York doctor.” And he was telling me this and this and this. I couldn’t believe it. – [Jerm Warfare: “How did you feel?”] – it’s the president of the United States. So, that was pretty cool. And so, that’s how I got involved.

“COVID-19 is an artificially made bioweapon”

@13:50: But, to understand the essence of the problem, we need to understand the essence of the problem. And everything else will make sense. So if I would’ve told you 18 months ago that COVID-19 is an artificially made bioweapon, I would immediately be labeled a conspiracy theorist. [Jerm Warfare: “Yes.”] Now, even the liberal media admits that this is an artificially made bioweapon. It’s a conspiracy, it’s just not a theory. It’s a conspiracy to commit mass murder and genocide.

And to tell you to what degree of resolution we know things – so for example, I can tell you like this, in 1999, that the Ralph Baric, Baric, in the University of North Carolina, at Chapel Hill, modified a surface protein on a bat coronavirus, and made it be able to infect human beings. And he has a patent number associated with that modification.

And then it became, this type of research became illegal in America. It was outsourced by Fauci and the NIH, to Wuhan! And then in 2005 or so, they were able to augment the lethality of this virus, so that it, it can destroy human lungs and cause blood clots. And we know the patent number is associated with those changes.

So no one’s denying that this is an artificially made bioweapon. So, okay. So now you have to understand why is there such opposition to the treatment of it in the pre-hospital setting. Cause what is the real desire goal of this bioweapon. It’s not to kill everyone. It’s to scare everyone. And if you studied psychological warfare, which I have, if you use fear – prolonged fear – and isolation: lockdown, what you do is you psychologically destroy the person. Most people will be compensated.

And then you dangle a false promise: the vaccine, and because you’re living in such chronic pain, and fear, you will gravitate – not intellectually – towards something that, anything, that will alleviate that emotional pain that you’re in. Now, that explains why people get so belligerent if you challenge them. Because if you challenge someone’s narrative, that they bought into, what you’re really doing is bringing them back into that anxiety state, and they, it causes so much pain they can’t stand it. So you can’t reason with them. It’s not a – it’s a super rational transformation of – it’s a way of enslaving people.

Denying the use of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin – because THEY WORK

@16:31: Now, the problem with hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, for example, is that they work! And since they work, what that means is that it could reduce the amount of anxiety and fear in the world, which is contrary to the whole point of the bioweapon. It’s a weapon against the bioweapon.

So, you have to ask yourself, why was this released? Why was this bioweapon made? Why is there such a effort – sorry – why is there such a global coordinated attempt to maintain global fear? And there’s an answer.

Um, in 2015 – by the way, I have a disclaimer. I want no one to believe me. Please do not believe anything that I’m saying. But, you can take that information that I am giving you, and I’m giving you very specific information, and go do your due diligence. Do your research. Don’t make the same mistake that you did with the governments, with me. Don’t buy into my narrative. But at least listen. And then, go and look into it, do your research, your due diligence, your – use your brain. And then come to a conclusion. And whatever that conclusion is, it’s yours. But the point is, hear the other side.

Bill Gates and the eugenics agenda

@17:51: So anyway, so with that disclaimer, I’m going to say that in 2015, you can google, ‘Bill Gates, Ted lecture’. So this sociopath – [Jerm Warfare: “I saw it. I saw it.”] So this sociopath calls for the reduction of the world population, because of global warming. Okay. So first of all, what kind of human being, uh, feels entitled to decide how many people should live on the planet or not? So that’s someone who doesn’t believe in the divine nature of humanity. That’s someone believes that in eugenics, or survival of the fittest, or the godless version of our lives.

But anyway, I have a good joke for you, by the way.

A child goes to his mother and says, “Where did we come from?” So the mother says, “Well, we’re made in the image of God.” And then the child goes to the father and says, “Where did we come from?” And the father says, “We evolved from monkeys.” So the child’s confused. So he goes back to the mother and looks for an explanation. So the mother says, “That’s not a contradiction. That’s my side of the family, and that’s his side of the family.” [Jerm Warfare laughs]

So Bill Gates belongs on that, group of people, belong to the monkey side of humanity. Whereas most humanity belongs to the – the wind made in the image of God department. Now, since they think they’re the biggest monkey, they think they’re on top of the food chain. That they can do whatever they want with us.

So here – I’m going to ask you a question. The same sociopath – I’m picking on him, but he’s just representative of a mentality – in last year said that 7 billion people need to vaccinated. So one simple question. Why would I take a vaccine, supported and funded by someone – for my health, a vaccine for my health – supported by someone who wants to reduce the world population? [Jerm Warfare: “It makes no sense.”]

Risk versus benefit analysis: medical necessity / efficacy / safety

@19:57: Okay, so, if I evaluate any treatment, any vaccine, anything I do to someone, I do a risk versus benefit analysis. If what I’m going to do may be risky, but does the benefit outweigh the risk? Otherwise, why would I do it? So, to understand if something is beneficial, you need to assess three things.

Whether you need it: medical necessity. You know a surgeon who operates on everyone is not a surgeon. He’s a butcher. He’s not using medical judgement. Just because someone came to your office doesn’t mean you have to cut him. There has to be a need for it, a reason for it. And the real surgeons know when not to cut. A real doctor knows when not to do something. So necessity.

Does it work? Efficacy. That’ll be useful, right? If I’m going to do something to someone, it better work.

And is it safe?

Though, if you analyze these vaccines from that perspective, and I can do that for you, I don’t know how much time we have, but – [Jerm Warfare: “No, please. I’ve got all the time.”] All right, so let’s look at medical necessity.

Without a vaccine: healthy children have a 99.998% survival rate /
“For every one child that dies from COVID-19 naturally, a hundred will die from the vaccine.”

@21:05: 18 and under, healthy children, have a 99.998% survival rate, according to the CDC, with no treatment from COVID. Why would I immunize a group, a demographic, that has a near 100% chance of recovery with NO treatment, with an experimental substance of questionable efficacy and known danger? The answer is I wouldn’t. Unless, I believe in child sacrifice. Doctor, Dr. Michael – “

Jerm Warfare: “Yeah. Exactly right. But – sorry, sorry, sorry – doctor, the media keeps pushing out a different story. So the questions is, who do you believe?”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “Well, you can look at the CDC and see the survival rate of COVID-19. Um, as a matter of fact, I mean I can look at the day outside right now and say it’s night. That doesn’t mean it’s true. So the media is a tool of the fear. Maintaining the fear. So, getting back to my point, which was that – yeah, the young demographic has a 100% survival, essentially, so why would I do something that would threaten that demographic?

If you look at Dr. Michael Yeadon, who was the head of Pfizer, vice president of Pfizer[Jerm Warfare: “Yeah, he was on my podcast also.”] So, you know what he says? The guy is a world expert on vaccine development. And he did his statistical analysis, and he said the following, and he said this to me directly, because I’m friends with him and I called him up, and he said “For every one child that dies from COVID-19 naturally, a hundred will die from the vaccine.” 

Jerm Warfare: “That is not something I want to hear, doc.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “Well it’s not about what you want to hear or don’t want to hear, it’s about the truth. I don’t want to hear it either but it’s not going to help the children that are going to be sacrificed. 

Let me ask you a question. What’s the difference if I take a child, let’s say a five year old, and cut its throat, or throw this child off a cliff, or into a volcano or whatever, or inject them with something that they don’t need because they’re going to get better anyway, and it has a 100 to 1 kill ratio? [Jerm Warfare: “Yeah, no… this, um – “]

Without a vaccine: healthy 18-45 year olds have a 99.95% survival rate /
WITH TREATMENT (not vaccine), it’s near 100% survival rate

@23:26: So, okay, I’m gonna finish. Now, if we look at 18 to 45, many healthy adults, so the survival benefit there is according to the CDC, is 99.95%. With treatment, it’s near a 100%. So the same question. Why would I vaccinate a demographic of healthy adults, with something that, against the virus, that they’re gonna get better from, and with something that may kill them? It just doesn’t make sense.

And just yesterday, it was published, multiple studies, that proved what we all knew anyway, that natural immunity is multiple – many many times better than vaccine induced immunity. Which means, anyone who had COVID already and has antibodies have superior antibodies. So why would I inject in them a liquid that makes inferior antibodies and puts them at risk? There’s no medical – just – there’s no medical necessity there.

Okay. Now let’s get to the problematic group. The high risk group, 45 and over, or those that have medical problems, have a death rate, globally, of 7.5%. That’s unacceptable. That is… a huge number of dead people. However, if you treat them, properly, all the data, all the clinical trials or the peer reviewed studies, they’re dozens of them that have corroborated my initial observations. Which I had published in a peer-reviewed international journal, that if you treat people properly, you reduce the death rate and hospitalization rate by 85%.

So, just to explain what that actually means, at a 600,000 dead Americans, we could’ve prevented 510,000 from going to the hospital. So I can reduce that death rate from 7.5% to around 1%. So now comes a good question. If we have something that with treatment, has a 1% death rate, in a sub – in a small demographic of high risk patients, perhaps it’s better to vaccinate than let them get sick. We have to – we have – it’s a good idea – thought. It’s a question. I’m not denying it.
 

By the way, if there were good, effective and safe COVID-19 vaccines, I would recommend them. I’m not against the vaccines, I’m against being stupid. And, so let’s look if these vaccines have – if they work!

Booster shots suggested even though the initial vaccines
DON’T WORK

@26:07: The three most vaccinated countries in the world: Israel, Gibraltar, and in the Indian Ocean there’s an island nation called Seychelles, they all have more than 80% vaccination rates. All the countries are experiencing massive outbreaks of delta variant.

The CDC director, I think her name – Walensky or whatever he name is, said two days ago that it seems according to the Israeli data, anyone who was vaccinated early, has a higher risk to end up in the hospital, in the ICU, and therefore you should take another shot. [Jerm Warfare: “Why?”]

I’ll tell you why in a minute. But, so, so it doesn’t work. Apparently.

And now let’s look at the safety concerns, which is really – could keep us busy for the next hour. Let’s divide safety concerns over time. Because they vary over time. So there’s the first time period would be, let’s say from the moment of injection to 3 months. It’ll be the acute period. Then there’s the subacute period from 3 months to 3 years. And then there’s the long-term, more than 3 years. And I want to break it up in this way because it’s important to understand the mechanisms of action.

The – I’m sorry, my kids are calling me. Um, from the moment of injection until 3 months, people are dying from blood clots. And we know exactly why. The Salk Institute from San Diego published a paper, a landmark paper a few months ago explaining the mechanism. From the moment you’re injected, your entire body becomes a spike factory. Producing a viral spike protein.”

Jerm Warfare: “Sorry, before you go on, can you just explain what that means? Cause we keep hearing about that.”

The “vaccine”/”poison death shots” cause dangerous spike proteins to produce in our body – leading to blood clots

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko @28:16: “Well, um, how do vaccines work? How – usually I would give you a piece of a virus, let’s say the flu virus. So, I’ll take a piece of it, not the whole living thing, although sometimes we do use living tenuated viruses, but in most cases – or polio – that’s a better example. I take a dead polio virus and I inject it into you. Your immune system recognizes that it doesn’t belong there. It mounts an immune response generating antibodies and now if you ever come into contact with real polio, all your soldiers are ready to pounce, and destroy it and you don’t get sick.

That’s how a normal, traditional vaccine would work. These quote/unquote vaccines, which I call ‘poison death shots’, they’re completely different. They don’t inject a piece of virus. At all. They inject a code, a formula, that converts your body into a factory that produces part of the virus. And a very specific part of the virus.

See the virus, coronavirus, is basically a ball with thorns. And it has these little spikes. Let’s call it the male organ. And in order to be able to get into the cell, it needs to attach to the receptor on the cell, which is the female organ. So the spike itself goes and finds its mate, and that allows the virus then to get into the cell. So, the spike is what actually gets the virus inside the cell.

So what we’re doing is giving you a code in the form of mRNA, which is the code. Your body’s cellular metabolism, your body’s own processes, are hijacked to manufacture all these little spikes. Not the whole virus, by the way. Just these little spikes. Trillions, hundreds of trillions of them, and it turns out that they migrate and end up in your blood vessels. Lining the endothelium, which is the inner skin. The inner lining of the blood vessel.

And it’s supposed to be smooth, obviously. Cause you have high rate of flow of blood cells, you don’t want them – [Jerm Warfare: “Yes, I understand.”] – you don’t want them to bump into stuff and break. In fact, all of a sudden you just coated lined wallpaper, inner lining of every vessel in your body with thorns. Little spikes. [Jerm Warfare: “Okay, yes.”] And then the blood cells get damaged. And when they get damaged, they leak stuff. That sets off a reaction in the body to cause blood clots.

So, the main cause of death in the first 3 months is blood clots in the form of heart attacks and strokes, or anywhere else. It could be kidneys, lungs, could be in your mesentery, your gut. So that’s what we’ve seen. And 40% of the deaths are happening within the first 3 days of injection.

How many people have to die from the COVID vaccines before we finally say, ENOUGH?

@31:45: Now, what’s the threshold of death? When do we say, you know, it’s too risky? It’s too much? In 1976 we had the swine flu vaccine. Um, it killed 26 people. The entire vaccine program was canceled.

According to the United States government already, this is according to the government, there’s 13,000 dead. According to the whistleblower, from the CDC, that wrote an affidavit, the number’s 45,000.

That’s not enough? I’m telling you, in 2009 there was a study on the system used for reporting. Called VAERS. That only 1% of events are actually reported. Now, I can make an argument, that maybe rashes are reported much less than death. Agreed. I’m not gonna deny that.

So what is the number? No one really took the time to figure it out. But, okay, it’s not 1%. So I’ll be very generous to VAERS. I’ll give ’em a 20% reporting rate. And that’s being generous. So what that means is that the number of deaths being reported, you have to multiply it by a factor of 5. [Jerm Warfare: “So over 200,000.] I think so.

And there are two other problems with this system. Which is that known reports are being scrubbed off the server. We have evidence of this. We have screenshots of reports that were there a few months ago that no longer exist. We can’t get ’em. And also I have colleagues that are trying to file reports. They lost patients, and the system won’t let them. It’s rejecting their reports, on technicalities.

So, there’s an obvious – and Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin is actually doing an investigation to see to what degree their suppression and obstruction and flow of true side effect information. So, that’s a lot of death already.

Issues of myocarditis and miscarriages – and no long-term assessment of the COVID vaccines

@33:55: The other problem is inflammation of the hearts. Called myocarditis. It damages the hearts it seems of young men. And the other problem is miscarriages in the first trimester in women that have been vaccinated is a much increased rate of losing their babies.

So that’s pretty bad. Remember, this is something that doesn’t work and you don’t need it. And then, let’s go to the longer term consequences. Well, it’s clear that the number of autoimmune diseases and cancers is going up. And there’s enough data concern/smoke, to require further inquiries to see if these mRNA vaccines are actually causing it. Remember, it went from laboratory to human use in less than a year. When on average it takes 10 years to vet a vaccine. So it’s not like we have long-term studies. So you need to know what’s going to be in a few years.

So there’s a concern already of autoimmune diseases and cancer – so that’s going to effect lifespan, and there’s also a real concern – there’s a leaked study from Pfizer that wasn’t supposed to get out. But someone leaked it from Japan. Where it showed the, when you inject it here [Dr. Zelenko points to his arm] where the vaccine actually ends up. And the largest amount ends up in the ovaries. So the question is, what is the long-term consequences on fertility? That has not been vet – that has not been ruled out. That has not been checked or assessed.

” – this vaccine program is the biggest threat to humanity in the history of humanity.”

@35:32: Okay. Now, but that’s – everything I just said is nothing compared to what I’m about to tell you. Between 3 months and 3 years, is a period where the world experts, the top minds in medicine and science, are SCREAMING, “Stop! You’re going to cause a genocide.”

So, for example. Remember, don’t believe me. Dr. Luc Montagnier, he happened to win the Nobel Prize – [Jerm Warfare: “For HIV.”] – for finding HIV. Yes. Pretty big boy. I wouldn’t say he’s the… he said like this. He’s never seen anything like this, and this vaccine program is the biggest threat to humanity in the history of humanity.

Okay. Then, Dr. Dolores Cahill, a top […] from Ireland, came out saying that within 2 years, she believes 90% of the people who got vaccinated will be dead.

Now, – [Jerm Warfare: “Wait! Two years?] – Yeah. So maybe she’s wrong. Maybe it’s 3 years. Or 4 years. And maybe it’s not 90%, what if it’s 5%? Not enough? So she’s raising a concern – hold on, and then Dr. Robert Malone invented the mRNA vaccine technology. It’s telling people, “Don’t take it. It’s too dangerous. The government is lying to you.”

And the, Dr. Michael Yeadon that I mentioned is saying the same exact thing.

Immune system, activated by the vaccine/virus, is attacking our own body –
Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE)

@37:15: What is the concern? And why are people going nuts about this? So, here’s the reason. In the 1960’s, an RSV vaccine was made, given to children, it killed children. No one understood why until they figured out that the children developed antibodies to RSV. And then when they were exposed to RSV, there was a – the immune system blew up and it was the immune system that killed the child. [Jerm Warfare: “What? The immune system?”]

It’s the child’s immune system that killed the child. It was an overreaction. That’s called antibody dependent enhancement. It’s not from the actual vaccine. What happens – listen again. They got the vaccine, they developed antibodies. Now you have these supposedly protective antibodies, then the RSV virus came, touched – came into contact with these antibodies and there was an explosion in unhealthy immune reaction.

Not every part of your immune system is good for you. You heard of autoimmune diseases? Lupus? Rheumatoid arthritis? That’s your body’s immune system attacking your body. That’s unhealthy. So it’s not always that your immune system is good for you.

So, in this particular case, the antibodies that were produced by the vaccine triggered a reaction, once coming into contact with the virus that killed the children.

So in 1970’s, there was something called the dengue fever virus vaccine, same thing happened. They would give it to people/adults; they died. It was the same exact mechanism of death called antibody dependent enhancement.

In all the attempts to make coronavirus vaccines, in the animal models, all of them manifested this reaction. And killed a large percentage of the animals that – in other words, the animals were vaccinated: mice, ferrets, and they produce antibodies, and then they’re purposefully infected with the virus that they’re immunized against. They’re challenged, to see if it works. And a large percentage of these animals died. Again, it’s called antibody dependent enhancement.

So here’s the question. Wouldn’t it be a good idea to rule that out by human beings, before you deploy a vaccine to 7 billion people?”

Jerm Warfare: “It sounds like an absolutely terrible idea. So, why – “

Leading experts warn of the many side effects of the vaccines –
and world suppression of the truth

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko @40:13: “That’s exactly what happened. Said – there’s 2 billion people already in the United States, there’s been a deployment of a substance that has the potential to kill the organism that it was given to. And that potential has not been excluded. And there’s a historical precedent for these things to happen. And it’s being done to people that don’t need the vaccine. And it doesn’t even work.

So, I’m going to make it very simple. Um, this vaccine is being deployed not for medical reasons. At all.

So I already told you, look, the causes, blood clots, inflammation of hearts, miscarriages, increased rates of cancer potentially, increased rates of autoimmune diseases, potential infertility, and the potential of this autoimmune death process, that it’s not me saying it! I am nobody. There are world experts in the fields; you mean, the guy who invented the vaccine – that’s not enough for you? Or the guy who ran Pfizer? Or the guy who won the Nobel Prize for finding HIV? That’s not enough?

These people – so what would be the normal rational thing to do? Would be, well, take a step back, let’s test these more to see if they’re safe. Forget about – you don’t need it, but still. So, do you see what’s going on here?

There is the suppression of life-saving medications, there’s the suppression of knowledge of life-saving treatments. Anyone who dares to say against the accepted narrative that the media is pumping, is deplatformed. It could be the world expert who made the mRNA vaccine who says something against the policy of the government is immediately deplatformed from every social media site. Why is that? And then, the actual side effects of these vaccines are being artificially suppressed, so that we don’t know the truth. And no one really needs this vaccine. Because I explained to you – though… what’s going on here?”

Jerm Warfare: “I mean, Dr. Lee Merritt has said very much the same thing.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “Yep, and Dr. Peter McCullough.

A need to reflect on our own values and freedom into the future

Jerm Warfare @42:47: “Yes. He also says the same thing. So, how – how do you, how do you respond, doc? What do you do, in a situation now when you’re hearing about the mandatory vaccines that are coming? And by the way, it’s not just in the United States. Our own government is now talking about making these vaccines mandatory.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “Define mandatory. In other words, they’re going to come down and hold you down, and put a needle in your arm?”

Jerm Warfare: “I don’t think that – to that degree, but I think you won’t be able to get employment, you won’t be able to go into shops, etc., etc.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “I wouldn’t worry about it; I’ll tell you why. Because there’ll be so many dead people, rotting corpses in the streets, that the worse it’ll get, it will look like a kindergarten, and you’ll have plenty of job openings.”

Jerm Warfare: [laughs] “I’ve never heard that. That is such a dark joke, but it’s so true.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “Look, I am not ready to sacrifice having a future for a few conveniences in the present. [Jerm Warfare: “Sure.”] I’d rather sacrifice the present, so that I have a future. And people have really messed up values. “All right. I can’t fly in a plane, so I’ll take the vaccine.” or, you know, “I’ll lose my job.” or, “I won’t be able to go to school.” And I look at these people and I say, well, you are making decisions on – that will potentially affect your lifespan and you’re doing it so willingly and blind – why? And so people are so gullible; it’s so easy to manipulate humanity.”

We’re in a life and death situation: not with the virus, but with the vaccine

Jerm Warfare @44:36: “Is it, is it literally a life and death kind of scenario? In your view.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “Absolutely, yes. We’re at World War 3. And you know, if the Germans were bombing over your head, you wouldn’t be asking that question. But the bombs that are being sent at us are invisible. And sugar-coated. And, I mean, there’s already hundreds of thousands of deaths from the vaccine. How much more death do you need to see before you say enough?”

Jerm Warfare: “Well they’ll say – they’ll respond and say yes, but it’s not because of the vaccine. It’s because of other things.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “Well they can say whatever they want. It’s just not consistent with truth. Not consistent with the data. And we know that COVID-19 is exceptionally treated.

It’s true that if there’s a fire and I don’t put it out, it’s going to burn the house down. So you’ve set a lot of fires, artificially. You go around and you set fires around the neighborhood and then you tell people, don’t put it out. Then the neighborhood burns down. Okay? That’s true. But doesn’t mean you have to put gasoline on the fire either. So, my answer to you is, don’t worry about the virus. Be prepared to deal with it. They’re over the counter options. And you’ll be fine. And don’t buy into the false – “

Assessing the difference between DNA and mRNA vaccines –
and the issues with “shedding”

Jerm Warfare @45:54: “Emma has got a question. She wants to know what your thoughts on the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Because as far as I’m aware it’s not mRNA.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “Yeah, it’s worse. It’s a DNA vaccine. In other words, the way it works is, mRNA is limited to the cytoplasm of a cell. To the – let’s call it your living room. It gets into your living room and it uses your television and it makes copies using the equipment that’s in your living room. And those proteins that are made are what are potentially killing you.

The Johnson and Johnson is a DNA vaccine. And that gets into your bed where you are, lying there, in your pajamas, and goes right into your core, into your essence, and makes – messes with your DNA, and then becomes mRNA and – in other words, it’s deeper penetrating. It’s much worse. It’s like having someone – difference of this: someone in your living room and someone in your bed. Johnson and Johnson gets into – into you, real deep.

Now in Texas they have a flag, ‘don’t tread on me’. So I made a meme, ‘don’t shed on me.’ But uh, I don’t like shedding, but it’s not really a major problem for most people. Because what shedding is, is in the first 3 months after you get vaccinated, you’re actually shedding the spikes. And it comes through your breath, droplets, it comes through your skin, comes through other bodily fluids.

Now most people, it may mess up their periods, it may make you feel not so well, but it’s not an enough of a dose to cause real problems. Except in 2 categories of people. Someone who has a blood-clotting predisposition. There are conditions where people are more prone to blood clots. That could trigger blood clots. Because that’s what the main concern is, in the first few months.

And then, miscarriages. It seems to cause miscarriages in, you know, pregnant women. So, if – or women that want to get pregnant; it messes with their ability to get pregnant. So, but it’s a short-lived problem. So it’s not – it’s a problem, but it’s not a problem worth over emphasizing, because there’s much bigger problems.”

Jerm Warfare: “She says, yeah, especially around pregnant women.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “Yeah, so that – that’s a good question. Um, you don’t know who’s vaccinated, and again, if it’s more than 3 months they’re no longer radioactive. You know? But you don’t really know when and what – so, that becomes a hard question. So… pregnant women have to be a little bit more isolated, in my opinion, if they want to protect their pregnancies. But the majority of people should not isolate themselves because of shedding.

Inspiration and advice: ‘Stay away from bad, do good, and live’

@49:04: Whenever I need inspiration, I look back into bigger minds than me. And in the Psalms of David, King David writes the following, a very good prescription: ‘stay away from bad, do good, and live’. So that’s the prescription. So let’s break that up.

‘Stay away from bad’. Do not give into the fear, do not isolate yourself. Do not take a poison death shot. And if you did already, don’t do it again. Don’t harm yourself. Do no harm. Don’t destroy yourself psychologically, emotionally, and physically.

‘Do good’ means, that if you’re in the high risk category group, meaning anyone over the age of 45, or anyone with medical problems, or in my opinion anyone who got the vaccine, you should take prophylactics; it’s preventive therapy. And preventive therapy doesn’t mean to take another shot and make more bombs. Preventive therapy means that to prevent the detonation of those bombs that already exist by using antiviral drugs – um, and you can find them on my website: vladimirzelenkomd.com.

I have protocols with dosing and everything for prescription and for over the counter options. So people could have them in their hands. But they – and the idea is to protect yourself in advance so that you, if you do come into contact with the detonator, another virus, you don’t die. And if you do get sick, God forbid, you have to start treating day one. In other words, you don’t want the monster to wake up. And then you’ll live.”

Spirituality and the sanctity of life –
Godliness vs. godlessness

Jerm Warfare @51:03: “It seems like this is way more than a medical war that grew in. It seems like it’s a psychological war, isn’t it? Religious war, spiritual war, I don’t know what, but it’s certainly more – “

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “It’s a war against God. There are two systems of thought, that can’t co-exist anymore. There’s a system that is based on God centered consciousness. Which means like this, just follow the logic. If God makes you, that means your life, your life has sanctity. If your life has sanctity, that means you have human rights. If you have human rights, then it’s not in the realm of another human being to decide how long you should live and how many of us should be on the planet. That’s God’s department.

There’s another system, which is completely godless. It’s based on Darwin’s theories and Galton who developed eugenics. You know they were – he was a nephew of Charles Darwin. And their system is the survival of the fittest system. In other words, they believe that there’s a hierarchy of humanity, to be based on genetics or other factors, and it’s the strongest, on top of the food chain, that will dictate what happens to everyone else.

Now, this sounds like a fairy tale except that it killed 200,000,000 people 80 years ago. Because invariably it deteriorates into 3 categories of human beings. The super-human, the human and the sub-human. So the Nazis, the Aryans, believed that they were descendants of Aryan gods. And therefore felt entitled that they could enslave and murder anyone they wanted, and wage global war.

And the humans were the Anglo-Saxons, the Europeans that were meant to be enslaved and serve the super-humans. And the sub-humans that I belong to, the Jews, the slobs, the gypsies, handicapped, and political people that oppose them politically, they’re the sub-humans that needed to be thrown into gas chambers and then the ovens and vaporized into dust.

So, and this is not a fairytale. This is history. Recent history. So that mentality did not go away. That mentality went dormant for a bit, and now it’s woken up, but it’s not anti-semitic, actually. What it is, is something else.

On top of the super-human is these, what they perceive themselves as evolved higher level of consciousness people that think that they know better for what the rest of us need, and therefore can make policies that will control how many of us live, and how long we live. In reality, these are not evolved people. These are devolved pagans. These are sociopaths, these are wannabe deities, these are just the biblical historical replay of maniacs that are denying the existence of God and believe in their own immortality.

People who are dictating the rest of the world keep themselves hidden

@54:17: And what – so let’s – who are they? Um, honestly speaking, 70% of all corporate wealth in the world is owned by 150 people. So I would suspect it’s some – some people in that group. And because they control media, politics, academia, and one of their policies – what do they want?

The real people who are doing this are too smart to be in the news. It’s not Fauci, it’s not even Soros or Gates, or Schwab. Because the people that are really doing it are really really smart. And they hide themselves like layers of proxies, to do their bidding. And ‘why would I sacrifice myself – I’m too smart for that’.

But if you look at the World Economic Forum, which is a good example of despotic thinking – tyrannical thinking – and they crafted a 2030 UN plan. It’s already being implemented. And, you know, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, and wrote it many years before he took control. He laid out his plans. These people are not even hiding their agenda. So what is their agenda? Go look at the 2030 World Economic Forum plan, and you’ll see – [Jerm Warfare: “You’ll own nothing.”] – and you’ll be happy, yeah.

What kind of sociopath, what kind of human being feels that they can decide whether you own property or not? Possessions or not? What else do they say? Um, you won’t eat meat except on special occasions. [Jerm Warfare: “And insects, also.”] All right. I didn’t hear that one. They – you won’t use fossil fuels. America will no longer be a super-power. A few European countries will run the world. There’ll be a billion refugees. So, what you have are – this guy, Schwab, said in 2016, it’s on an interview in French, that within 10 years, by 2026, everyone will have a digital tag and identifier in them.

Jerm Warfare: [jokes] “You are really ruining my Friday evening, doc.”

Test on humanity – on our decisions

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko @56:58: “You know, that’s good. Because reality – you need a reality check. And the next people that are willing to stand their ground and sacrifice even their own lives so that humanity’s – the soul of humanity is… remains. Because that’s, it’s an attack on the core of what is means to be a human being. And the core of our souls, and the core of our relationship with Creator.

And ultimately I think there’s a divine test, here. Which is, no one’s making you take this. You’re choosing to do it. There’s no such thing ‘you were forced’. Because, you could be pressured, you could be coerced, but you still have the ability to say ‘no’.

And if you put your trust – if I was God, I would be asking this following question: “I know you’re scared and the world is crazy. But who are you going to put your trust in? Me, who makes you? You’re going to ask me to fill the… your anxiety space? Are you going to ask me for protection? Because I’ll do it. Or are you going to go around to false gods, despotic governments, sociopathic oligarchs, and the golden calf of this vaccine? Because if you are going to do that, then let them protect you. Let’s see how that’s going to work out for you.”

Reflecting on the future – God conscious living vs. immorality

Jerm Warfare @58:20: “In front of you, doc, there is a crystal ball. What do you see?”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “I see a glorious future. I see a… we’re in the cusp of a redemptive process. Where there’s going to be – people are going to self select into… God conscious living, versus idolatry.

And then I believe what the prophets say. Not me. That the spirit of inequity will be removed from the Earth. God will take out His big broom, clean out the garbage, and then the world will be filled with the knowledge and glory of God.

I think, I think that God has had enough of people who, for example, if these despots had their way, a 30 year old man who thinks he’s a woman would be sharing a bathroom with my 4 year old daughter. [Jerm Warfare: “It’s unreal.”]

So this type of erosion – you know, in the Bible it says that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. The Talmud asks why. So one suggestion is because of immorality. The answer’s no. The whole world was immoral. What was so special about them that they were singled out? You know what the answer is? That they codified it into law. It became the law of the land. Immorality became codified as the norm.

[Jerm Warfare: “That’s what’s happening now.”] You think? What do you think I”m telling you this? So I think that we’re in a glorious journey that there’s going to be a transformation. It’s going to be bumpy. Be some turbulence. But at the end, the world will be cleaned up, just like the flood. And we’ll be left with, with people that want to live a God centered moral life.

I’m not afraid of dying. It’s not my department. You know? How I’m going to die, how long I’m going to live, no one knows. And it’s ultimately in God’s hands and He could do whatever He wants.

What I’m afraid of is living. In other words, am I living to my fullest potential? When I have to stand before the King of Kings, and give an accounting – he’s not going to ask me why I wasn’t like you. He’s going to ask me, “Why weren’t you like you could’ve been?” Me. Zev Zelenko. “Why didn’t you reach the potential that I had for you?”

And, so, I want to use my thoughts, of check and control, my speech, and my actions of check and control, and my time. I want to use that in a way that makes the world cleaner and better and healthier, and more Godly, and beautiful. I think that’s a worthy, worthy of my time and efforts. And that’s what I focus on, and that’s what I try to do. And that’s why I’m talking to you.

Jerm Warfare: “I’ve been waiting for 30 minutes to say what I’m about to say, but you are making medicine great again.

Thank you so much for your time. It’s been a great pleasure.”

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko: “God bless you. Thank you.” 

Jerm Warfare: “You too. Thank you, man.

My name is Jerm, this is Jerm Warfare, the battle of ideas.”

Thank you so much to Jerm Warfare and Dr. Vladimir Zelenko for this interview. Your efforts to spread awareness and the truth is extremely important especially in these suppressed times, where going against the narrative is ridiculed and censored.

And a special thank you to Dr. Zelenko and other doctors/healthcare providers who made the decision to help treat the people who needed it. Your compassion and integrity speaks volumes of your character and is the role model that people need to get through these uncertain times.

Lastly, a huge thank you to everyone for reading and spreading these messages. God bless.

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Dr. Richard Fleming Interview with Mike Adams | “The Vaccines ARE the Bioweapon” [Full Transcript]

“This is a violation of science. This is a violation of medicine. This is a violation of humanity.”

In keeping with providing written transcripts for those who prefer to read text as opposed to watching videos, I have transcribed the following interview between Mike Adams and Dr. Richard Fleming.

Another in-depth/informative video that Mike Adams conducted, this time with Dr. Peter McCullough, that is transcribed in full can be found here:
Dr. Peter McCullough Interview with Mike Adams | “All to prepare the population for mass vaccination.” [Transcript]

Thank you to Mike Adams and Dr. Richard Fleming. While all of the information is incredibly helpful and insightful, I did provide some embellishments to highlight exceptionally pertinent topics.

 

Also thank you to all the doctors/scientists/researchers, etc. who have been brave enough to stand up for their patients and for humanity in general. Your bravery and integrity speaks volumes of your character and exemplifies what it means to be a strong, compassionate individual, especially in the midst of adversity and vitriol.

Mike Adams @00:33: “Welcome to BrighteonConversations, I’m Mike Adams, the founder and host of brighteon.com, today. 

We have a special guest, first-time guest. A brilliant individual who’s an author of a book called “Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?” His name is Dr. Richard Fleming, his website is flemingmethod.com, and he is not only trained as a physicist and a nuclear cardiologist, but, of course he’s an author and researcher and doctor – we’re going to talk to him, ask him lots of questions about what’s going on with COVID today.

So thank you for joining me. It’s an honor to have you on, welcome to BrighteonConversations.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @1:07: “It’s my pleasure to be here, thank you for the invitation.”

Mike Adams: “Well absolutely.

It’s fascinating, just really fascinating to be able to hear from people like you. Let’s start with some basics. Your book asks the question, ‘is the COVID-19 a bioweapon?’ And there’s a lot behind that, but, what’s the short answer? And what else does the book provide to support that?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @1:30: “Well there’s – ahem, the short answer, um, I think… I’m going to leave to the readers, for them to decide. I think, uh… a year ago, that question would have been heresy, and, you know, even though I was asking it a year ago, but it’s amazing how just as information comes out, people become much more aware of reality.

This book really lays out in detail a lot of information with people. It tells you to begin with what ‘gain of function’ is. Which is what the topic of the day is. The ability of scientists to take infections like a virus and make them more infective or potentially more dangerous. But it also, it provides a lot of information sequentially so you can understand where the moneys came from to build this virus, who published research – just literally published the research over the, you know, two to three decades, showing a nice paper trail of data, who got the patents on it, whose names are connected, how the funding got connected with it; and then, you know, really addressing that spike protein which is the actual bioweapon itself.

You know, the gain of function, man-made, altered, critical component to this virus being so infectious and dangerous – um, and amazingly enough that in and of itself explains to you why the drug vaccine biologics aren’t working at this point in time. Which we can get into if we have time. And then just an explanation also about the intentional release of this, of this virus, and recognition that this is not the first one of these viruses. It’s kind of a version number 2. And even though there’s a number of coronaviruses, which means viruses that look like a crown when you look at them under an electron microscope, this one is the 7th one that has been identified to infect in people, and it’s the 2nd one that holds the name of ‘severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus’. And it’s number 2 because number 1 was from 2002, also delivered to the world out of China. And by very much the same people.”

Mike Adams @3:52: “That leads me to a recent video by Dr. David Martin that I’d like your comment on. And I just happen to have these notes in front of me here. He was referring to a patent: April 19th 2002, U.S. patent, 7279327 – in which it appears that U.S. scientists created SARS. The – one of the early renditions of SARS, which later on was altered, was transformed to become SARS-CoV-2, eventually. But as you just said, some of these patents go back 22 years, and the research goes back even before that.

It appears that, like you said, there’s a long paper trail that they have been funding these efforts and deliberately working to engineer these viral – I don’t know – nanoparticles, pathogens, for some reason. But what about the motivation, then? Do you get into that in your book? What’s the – why are they doing this? Why?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @4:54: “Right, well, I think to understand the motivation of the people involved, you have to understand who’s involved. And when you look at, as explained in the book, where the funding from the United States came from. You know, more than 60 million dollars, which may not sound like much when we’re talking about throwing a trillion out here, and a trillion out there, I mean, 60 million dollars is still a fair amount of money for research scientists to work with; particularly when you consider over three decades, that amount of money was substantial.

And you simply asked, where did that money come from? Well it came from National Institutes of Health. It came from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. It came from the Department of Defense. In fact, more than half of it came from the Department of Defense, along with, as you’ll see in the book, a David Franz, who was a former deputy commander at Fort Detrick.

And in case anybody wants to take the argument that, ‘wait a minute, Fort Detrick is the U.S. military base, it doesn’t have anything to do with viruses and NIAID’, I would point out to you that I have received several emails from people trying to recruit me as a physicist for imaging at Fort Detrick, of viruses funded by NIAID. So I actually have documents of my own that have been sent to me, trying to recruit me, [Mike Adams laughs: “That’s great.”] to be involved in this, in this work. So, I think probably not anybody else has that. Um, you need to be a physicist to get that type of query from them. So clearly they are involved.

And then you asked the question, ‘what do these agencies work with?’ Well, as I frequently tell people, the DOD is not involved with the girlscouts. They don’t sell thin mints and they don’t help boyscouts sell popcorn. Um, they do other things. And what that really means is when you get right down to it, is that if you build a biologic – like this virus – which has no beneficial effect or benefit for mankind, which it clearly doesn’t, then you have violated the biologic weapons convention treaty. [Mike Adams: “Good point.”] And you are now, you are now an international criminal.”

Mike Adams @7:08 “Now, we spoke with doctor Francis Boyle on that issue, he’s an expert in that area, but from what you’re saying, I’m asking you to confirm this, if it is so, that it seems like the United States military was attempting to offshore the research in order to circumvent limitations on such research in the United States. So they funneled money through EcoHealth Alliance and Peter Daszak and so on, to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and then partnered essentially with the People’s Liberation Army, controlling the Wuhan Institute. 

So now you have the military of the United States and the military of China conducting research in China on biological weapons, which is obviously that intellectual property would be shared with both nations. Is that an accurate statement, or am I wrong in any point there?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @7:54: “No, that’s – that’s pretty good. I mean, the federal fundings in the United States, much of it, although not all of it, got circumvented through Peter Daszak at EcoHealth. He paid moneys off to Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina, but that’s not the only American Institution, and to Shi Zheng-li at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And we’ve seen decades of them working back and forth.

In fact, there’s some data that I have that isn’t yet in the book, and I’m saving it for a special purpose, um, and I’ll let your readers think about what that special purpose might be, showing that these same people also worked genetically to alter viruses so that they would escape the ability of our immune system to fight them off. And they successfully proved this. So this particular virus doesn’t have that aspect to it, but clearly if you’re developing one biological weapon, you know research scientists like myself don’t work on a project and go, ‘Well, that’s good. We’re going home now for the rest of our lives.’ I mean, you’re constantly working on new things. And one of the ways to think about this is the United States is playing China, China was playing the United States, and look who got caught in the crossfire.”

Mike Adams @9:07 “And the institution of this twisted science was playing us all, because my next question to you is about – remember when Peter Daszak authored that article, I think it was published in the Lancet, that initially proclaimed: “Oh, this is zoonotic. This couldn’t possibly have come from a lab.” I mean they were very insistent and they were arm-twisting and they were recruiting. And some of this came out in the FOIA request of Fauci’s emails where Daszak and Fauci were coordinating this, this fairy tale, to try to proclaim this wasn’t built in a lab. What are your comments on that?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @9:42: “Well, I have a very personal comment. You know, a lot of people spend their lives as research scientist, trying to become reviewers and editors for major league journals; it’s a big plus for us. I resigned in 2020 from two journals: The British Medical Journal Open Quality, and the Lancet. And I did that because of this type of use of a journal that used to be prestigious, to represent science at its best, being used as a manipulative tool for somebody to drive their agenda. And that unfortunately was the prostitution of our research journals.”

Mike Adams @10:22 “Wow. Wow! So, you said something to me related to this before we started our interview, that Fauci does not represent science. And, this is my next question, cause I’m very concerned about that. I mean, my background, I’m a food scientist. I run a mass spec food science lab. And we do very accurate quantitation and method development for glyphosate concentration and things like that for our business. That’s what we do. We test everything. Right? So we’ve very practical application. And I have always believed in the tenets of science. You know, let’s develop a method, let’s calibrate the instrument, let’s run it, let’s compare it to certified reference materials, do all these things. Yeah, that’s valid. That’s legit. And yet I see the institution of science committing suicide! Apparently. Committing suicide – credibility suicide. What do you think?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @11:13: “Right. Well I think part of the, part of the problem is because somebody calls themselves “scientist” doesn’t mean that they were actually practicing science. I mean, it’s more of a pseudoscience when you get into that. I was in medical college at the time that HIV hit. You know? And we got to see it first-hand. And I am hard-pressed, and that was in the early 1980’s, I am hard-pressed to find any substantive quality published research since that time that has Anthony Fauci’s name to it. So… you may be in charge of an agency, but that doesn’t mean that you’ve contributed to the field of science. Science builds upon all the work that, just as you said, you have to – you have to figure out what you’re doing, research-wise, you have to figure out how you’re going to answer that question, you have to be able to make your equipment work.

A good point to stop, at PCR, right there. Equipment working.

Kary Mullis developed the PCR test to look for genetic sequence. That’s what the patent is for. It looks for genetic sequence. If you read that patent, Kary Mullis said you stop at 20 cycles. It gets you a 100% of the genetic material if it’s there; anything else becomes gobbledy-gook, using that good scientific term that my parents taught me a long time ago. And what happened to that scientific tool? Well it got abused. By people who claim that they’re running science, but didn’t really understand the science.

You know, Mullis and I have two things – couple things in common. One, both patents, [owners]. And the second, we both think that Fauci is anything but science and we don’t think he’s much of a scientist. And we’ve both declared that we would love an opportunity to debate with him at any point in time about the science.

And that’s an offer that, you know, I make here again, which is: Anthony Fauci – anytime, anyday, anywhere, any place, you want to have a debate about SARS-CoV-2 and real science, let’s do it, so the American people can see what the truth of this is.

Mike Adams @13:18: “Is he hearing you say that, Dr. Fleming?

This is what gives me hope in the future of science. Because you are obviously an informed, intelligent, analytical person. And this is what desperately needs to be applied right now.

Because just going back to PCR, I’ve heard from other people, cause I’m always interviewing and talking to people, there are individuals out there who would just go to Thermo Fisher, and they would purchase PCR equipment, that they had never been trained on, they’d never run before – and it’s not that expensive, in terms of lab science. For a hundred grand or a hundred and twenty grand, you can get a PCR and a sample prep, you know, instrument. And they would run these things, and they would make a million dollars in one weekend doing tests for a local clinic or a hospital. Cause it’s all being billed out to the government.

And so, this is the case, exactly as you said, it was abused! And they would turn the cycle thresholds up to 35 or more! And they’re just – they’re basically just reporting instrument noise. This is background noise and they call it COVID. Wow!”

Dr. Richard Fleming @14:24: “Yeah, noise to signal ratio is the physics term, and they’ve introduced a bunch of noise into this. You know, what we have demonstrated very clearly in the almost 2 years here is that using PCR tests, we have demonstrated that respiratory viruses are transmitted from person to person, by respiratory pathways. We have proven that the inflammation and blood-clotting that’s associated with COVID-19, that I talked about first in 1994, is the cause of these diseases; that if you don’t treat that, people die.

And we have shown that if you take a drug vaccine, that is directed towards just a part of one type of variant of a species of coronavirus, and you make an immune response to that, you’ll make an immune response, but when you dump billions of that into the body, you’ll make a massive immune response and have very adverse effects, which is what we’re seeing.

It didn’t make any – it didn’t make any difference in the number of people who end up with the COVID or dying; vaccinated versus not. But we managed to devote massive immune responses and then we were able to put pressure on the virus to promote one of the variants, in this case delta – but there’s lambda and a whole series of these that are out there, that if you actually attack one part of, in this case the virus, you’ll promote the spread of the other types that are immune. Because the antibodies are completely different for that type of spike protein.”

Mike Adams @15:57: “Right. Viral, just viral evolution add up to host adaptation.” 

Dr. Richard Fleming: “Yeah, I mean the virus – it’s like antibody resistant bacteria. Those anti – those bacteria are already resistant. But if you dump antibiotics into the system indiscriminately, you’ll kill off the ones that can’t handle that, but the antibody resistant ones will flourish. And that’s all we’ve done. Is we have demonstrated, wow, pressure selection works.

So we know that viruses pass by air, we know that if you don’t treat patients they die, and we know that if you put pressure on a species like this virus, it will select out for the ones that are most viable to live and cause a problem. And like Albert Einstein said, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.” Well, let me ask everybody: how did our masking, quarantining, deprivation of medical treatment, and pressure selection on a virus work? – Wait a minute. We’re doing the same thing we did 2 years ago. I think that answers the question. 

And, with the book, we now who know who’s paying for it and the people who paid to develop it, are the same people that are blocking the treatments, are the same people getting money for the vaccines; and that should raise just a few eyebrows out there, among the at least 30% of the U.S. population that we know are beginning to listen to the science, as opposed to the pseudoscience political speech.”

Mike Adams @17:29: “My, you raised so many issues here, let me see if I can remember all the questions. Just from that.

So, one thing you’re referring to is the epidemiological effects of the viral adaptation pressures caused by mass vaccinations of people during a strong outbreak. Now, Geert Vanden Bossche, Dr. Bossche, if I’m pronouncing it correctly – Bossche – he’s warned about that exact scenario. And he’s an epidemiologist, a pro-vaccine epidemiologist, or researcher, and it seems now, when you have certain countries like Israel and Australia that are very heavily vaccinated and now they’re starting to see that the severe patients who are experiencing hospitalization, have now sometimes 74% of them have been vaccinated. Is that – seeing that, is that consistent with what you are describing?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @18:23: “Absolutely. And when they talk about the unvaccinated having problems as well, well of course, because it’s all been selected out to produce these slightly more infective delta variants. So yeah, they’ve done a brilliant job of proving science is correct, um, they just haven’t figured out quite how to handle this. And that would require that they step back and go, ‘You know, maybe we should have been more upfront and honest with you about what we were doing with this money and the development of this bioweapon.’

Um, because now, now these people are criminally culpable. They have violated a Biological Weapons Convention treaty. They have violated informed consent with the Declaration of Helsinki. They have violated the International Covenant of Civil Political Rights Treaty. They have violated the Nuremberg Code.

Physicians in the United States that are vaccinating people who have not read the package inserts to obtain the information about the drugs are violating their Hippocratic Oath – but, wait a minute, there’s actually nothing on those package inserts. They say that they are intentionally blank, so had they read them, they would have seen that they were intentionally blank and that they don’t have informed consent to give to the patients.

What we’re seeing from the VAERS is that all the inflammation and blood-clotting that I warned about in 1994 is exactly what we’re seeing in healthy people with this massive immune response, causing heart damage, liver damage, neurologic diseases; all the things that we’ve been warning about. All the things that we have made worse by the very approach that we’ve done to this.

And you know, if we were just human beings and we actually had gotten exposed to a virus that was doing this to us, that would be one thing, and you could say ‘oops, my bad’, you know, using the vernacular. But the problem is, we’re the ones who developed it. And by ‘we’ I don’t mean me. I mean the people that are talked about in this book. The people that, and you’ll see in the book, where they took one part of one virus, combined it with another part of another virus, then inserted separate nuclei type bases in there to make it more infective.

I mean, this is – I don’t know… you know, they might have at one point in time thought they were doing something for mankind decades ago, but when you get to the place that you’ve jumped evolutionary barriers, by decades and tens and hundreds and perhaps thousands of years, and produced something that we would not have to be worrying about, and now you’ve produced this gain of function weapon, in violation of treaties?

First off, you’re criminally accountable, and secondly, anybody who requires mandated vaccines without these informed consents, have violated international treaties. And if you are an elected official, or an appointed official, and you’ve taken an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States, you have violated that oath. And under that oath and the Constitution, that’s treason.”

Mike Adams @21:36: “So what you are describing, and I think our audience agrees with everything that you’ve just described, but I want to ask you one step further on this.

What you appear to be describing, is a large-scale organized crime, racketeering, money-laundering operation, you know, the government’s laundering money into the hands of big pharma, while big pharma is funding the FDA and funding the politicians and the CDC, which owns patents on some of the earlier coronaviruses. Probably receiving royalties of some kind on all of this. And keep people like Walensky, the director of the CDC, her husband, his company, receive millions of dollars in NIH grant money; approved by Fauci and so on.

This is an incestuous money-laundering racket with the cost being born by the people. Because the vaccine companies have legal immunity from indemnification from lawsuits. But the people then have to bear their own medical cost from the adverse reactions, long-term effects, long-term blood clot, inflammation effects; all of these things. This is – if this is all true, it’s beyond insidious, it’s beyond criminal, it is – it is perhaps the most diabolical attack on humanity that has ever been waged on this planet. Would that be accurate?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @22:56: “Absolutely. When Adolf Hitler started the Nazi regime, the first people that they put in concentration camps were not the Jews. It was the intellectuals. The people that would open debate discussions about what was going on. After he accomplished that, then he went after the Jews and the homeless and anybody else he thought that was undesirables.

So the first thing you do, if you want to have this type of effect, is you take out the intellectuals so that people will not discuss and debate what’s really going on and figure it out. And what happened in Germany? The doctors went along with it, the politicians went along with it, the judges went along with it. The only difference is that they really had a very small group of people that they were experimenting on, compared to what’s going on today, because this is a global experiment. And you’re either part of the experimental, or you’re part of the control group, right now.

You know? And the data is pouring in, whether we like it or not. And history is being written whether we like it or not. So, Adolf Hitler and Josef Mengele are turning over in their graves right now going, ‘wow, we could not have imagined being able to pull anything off on this massive scale’. And yet, we’ve shown repeatedly that if you lockdown people and quarantine them and keep them from talking, and feed them the agenda.

Goebbels – no, Goering, rather, at the Nuremberg Trial in 1947, when he was being held accountable for his crimes against humanity, looked at the prosecutors – the American prosecutors, and said, “If you want to manipulate a people, and have them do what you want as a government, all you have to do is tell them there’s a problem, tell them what the answer to that problem is. Tell them that anybody who opposes that answer is a traitor to the country. And you can get them to do it.”

And the Americans said, “You, you are so wrong. We live in the United States. We elect our officials.” And he laughed at them and he said, “Look. A republic. A parliament. Communist. Socialist. Fascist. It doesn’t matter. People are controlled the same way. You isolate them, you tell them there’s a problem, you tell them what the answer to the problem is, you tell them anybody who opposes that, is a traitor to the country. You put the people against each other.”

And that’s what’s happened. We’ve seen it in families. We’ve seen it in churches. We’ve seen it in businesses. We’ve seen it in cities. We’ve seen it in states. We’ve seen it in countries. I have colleagues in Italy that tell me right now, that the response that the non-vaccinated are receiving from the vaccinated people in Italy was the same response that they saw when Mussolini was in charge of Italy during World War 2. The same pressures, threatens, accusations; not a thoughtful discussion. You know?

If somebody is nuts, – you know, if this book is wrong, well I’ve pretty much laid out all the data; it’s – it would be easy to refute it. The problem is, I’ve laid out all the data. And you can’t refute it. The documents have been saved by the way, in case they try to pull them off the internet. They’ve been, they’ve been given to several sources for safe-keeping for hard copies, for use in courts around the world as we hold these people accountable.”

Mike Adams @26:24: “So once again, you’ve – we’re going to have to do more interviews, because you’re, you’re just flagging all of these things. Let me just, let me bring up the Stanford Prison Experiment. I’m sure you’re familiar with it, it was based on the Milgram Experiment, but the Stanford Prison Experiment, for the viewers who may not be familiar, they took volunteers, who I believe were Stanford graduate students, and they divided them up. Just, half of you are going to play the role of guards, prison guards, and the other half are going to play the role of prisoners. And then they role-played that for not very long, when the guards became, you know, diabolical, cruel, in their treatment. Because they began to adopt these psychological roles.

And that’s what you’re describing, Dr. Fleming. Where the vaccinated, now, become the prison guards of society. And where this is going is now very clear, because the CDC has a document on their website that we’re covering. It talks about “green zones”, which are COVID quarantine camps.

Governor Lee of Tennessee, just on Friday, signed an Executive Order authorizing National Guard and State Guard to take people away from their homes with telephone assessments, determining who needs to be taken away, to be put into involuntary internment camps, that are being constructed in the state of Tennessee. And the CDC saying we’re going to have “community level neighborhood enforcers” of some kind, who are checking in with you to make sure you’re complying.

This – this is, this is an Orwellian nightmare, come to life.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @28:00: “Yeah. This is Nazi, Germany. And by the way, Executive Orders don’t have legal authority if the legislative bodies is Mr. Executive, in this case, the governor, you don’t have the authority to do that.

And this is where I point it out earlier in our discussion. Anybody who takes the oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, and, same thing for their states, the supreme law of land in the United States is the U.S. Constitution. Statutes passed by the Congress of the United States and treaty law, it’s in the Constitution, violation of any of those by anybody who has an oath is a violation of the Constitution, is treason by definition. Treason is punishable by death. [Mike Adams: “By definition. Also. Yes.”]

By definition. Violation of the Biologic Weapons Convention treaty, the ICCPR treaty, the Nuremberg Code, and the Helsinki Declaration, are international treaty violations before the International Criminal Court, is – are crimes against humanity, just as they were in Nuremberg. So I’m calling for Nuremberg 2. We are much closer to that than anybody else has and perhaps I’ll come back another day to let you know exactly where we’re at on that. [Mike Adams: “We need that update, yes.”] 

These crimes are crimes against humanity, and they are punishable by death, just like they were in Nuremberg, and bear – remember, that in Nuremberg, there wasn’t just one trial. There were a dozen of them. After the first trial, came the doctors trial, and the couple after that the jurists, or the judges, and the attorneys and the law-maker trials. They were all held accountable in International Court for crimes against humanity.”

Mike Adams @29:57: “How – I don’t know, the historical record in detail. How many people were sentenced to death for being complicit in that?”

Dr. Richard Fleming: “Um, I’ve actually got that on the site in some of the presentations I’ve done so I know. I can try to really pull up, real quick, one of the PowerPoint slides.”

Mike Adams: “While you’re looking for that, let me just tell the audience that the title of your book is, “Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?” It’s currently available on Amazon, somehow. I’m not sure how. They’ll probably pull it at some point. So get it while you can. “Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?”

Dr. Richard Fleming: “So, there were, in the initial trial, of the 24 defendants, with Goering and the rest, of the initial 24, 12 were given the death sentence. 3 were given life imprisonments. 4 were sentenced between 10 and 20 years. None of them received the treatment that they wanted. Some of them thought, well, we were – they were German high officials, they should be treated with more respect. And the court just laughed at that.

And then there were a couple, Hitler and Goering – or Goebbels, both committed suicide before the war came to an end. And Goering laughed at them and committed suicide the day before they were going to execute him. There were 12 trials, after that one came the doctors trial, and 7, there were 7 German doctors who argued that they weren’t doing anything different than American and other – and Russian doctors were doing. And the truth of the matter is, they really weren’t doing things worse. But they were physicians – excuse me, they were physicians who came up and said, the problem with that is that these things were wrong no matter who did it and we’re not going to let them get by with it. So that was the Nuremberg Code that was developed. And uh… let’s see… if I have that numbers on that.

Of the 16, let’s see, of the 23 doctors, 16 were found guilty, and 7 were executed. [Mike Adams: “Wow. Wow.”] So if you think you get by free on this one, um, you don’t. Because as long as I’m still living and breathing, I plan to see this through. Because this is a violation. This is a violation of science. This is a violation of medicine. This is a violation of humanity.”

Mike Adams @32:40: “What will it take, Dr. Fleming, before we can have that kind of public pressure to call for Nuremberg 2.0? Because, you know, looking back at World War 2, they – the Nazi regime got away with genocide for many years. Murdered millions of people, while these so-called good Germans went along with it. And it was happening in their own backyards; they wanted to be part of the party. One of the economic benefits of having the war factories running, and so on. We have a lot of good Germans in America today, I’ve noticed. Because they’re going along with it. It might be half the country at this point. Going along with it.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @33:19: “Yeah, there’s a nice sign that I’ve seen that I’m sure has been spread around through our social media system that we have. Where it says, “If you wondered what you would’ve done in Nazi, Germany 1930’s, you now know.” 

Mike Adams: “That’s right. That’s right. And, you can look at your friends, family members, co-workers, whatever, you can now tell who would’ve been right at home in the Nazi regime.

Dr. Richard Fleming @33:43: “Here’s the important thing your listeners need to realize. The people that recognize there’s a problem, need to reach out to the people who have been taken advantage of. Because most of the people who get vaccinated, for example, did so because they were worried about someone they loved and care about.

Vaccines don’t keep you from getting infected. For them to work, you have to get infected. Okay? Vaccines don’t keep you from spreading infection. They simply make it possible for your body to respond sooner, to whatever you get vaccinated with so that your symptoms are shorter in duration. Which is a great way to increase asymptomatic carriers. Or minimally symptomatic carriers. And the problem is, it doesn’t do a thing for the pressure strains of the variants that exists. And those are going to continue.

These viruses have a lot of variants, we’re tracking, I as a research scientist, I’m actually watching the data that’s being done on the changes in these viruses to watch what’s going on. To watch what changes are occurring, what changes are happening naturally, evolutionary wise to this virus. Because even though it was man-made, it’s still a virus. It’s a living thing, and it’s making the changes like living organisms do.

Some of it looks like it’s trying to delete some of the inserts that were put into it. The consequences of some of that is becoming even more infective, but it’s not becoming more dangerous. Remember that if a virus becomes too dangerous, it will kill whatever it’s in, and then it can’t spread. So it’s not like these things become more dangerous. They get dangerous enough to get their benefit, naturally, and when idiot humans work on them and make them – well, all bets are off.

And what we saw was an ideal bioweapon, because the idea of a bioweapon isn’t to kill your enemy. We learned in Vietnam, my era, that if you wanted to win, you didn’t shoot to kill your enemy; you shot to maim your enemy because a wounded soldier on the other side might have friends that will come to the rescue of their friend and drag them off the field. Right? Now instead of killing one person, you’ve taken 2 or 3 people off the field. So maiming is much more effective.

Now if you can demoralize and damage a society by putting it – I don’t know – by shutdown and economic tailspin and, and keeping its people from talking, you have developed the ideal bioweapon.”

Mike Adams @36:18: “But, to that point, the people who built this, and the people who have pushed this and promoted the hysteria, they have gained so much power and profit. Also through the assertion of false authority, like the CDC claiming they now control all private property rental contracts, somehow, for some reason out of the blue. But why wouldn’t they now release something more dangerous and more deadly if they have it in the freezer? You know, the Fauci Freezer 2.0. Why wouldn’t that now be their next play?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @36:52: “There isn’t any reason why it wouldn’t be. Remember earlier I made the comment that research scientists don’t stop and say, “Okay, I guess we’re done with this project. Let’s go home.” They’re constantly working on it. You know, if you got the people doing what you want the people to do, well, you now have a perfect setup for continuing to run your experiment. You know? And which may not be the way people want to think about it, but it’s, from that point of view, it’s a great experimental design of ‘what can we get by with what can we do?’

And one thing that, you know, I didn’t mention before, I was working in my Master’s in psychology before I entered medical college. And so we had done all the work on these types of things, as graduate students in psychology, including the Stanford study and things like that. And it’s amazing what people will do. They will do it because they like power and control. They will do it because they don’t want to be hurt, and so they’d rather go along with it. It’s very easy to turn people against people.

But again, going back to the idea, if you can reach out to your neighbors and your friends and the people that maybe you’ve been alienated from, and say, “You know, this isn’t us. This isn’t us fighting us.” We’ve gotta stop fighting us and start looking at the science and the information. Which is what this book does, “Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?” tells you what you need to know.

Well you can go find it, and prove for yourself because – like Galileo? You know? He got put under house arrest for telling everybody – most people think he got put under house arrest for saying the Earth goes around the sun. What he got put under house arrest for was saying, “You know what? Don’t take my word for it. And don’t take anybody else’s word for it. If you look up at the sun and the stars and the moon, and you think about these few things… you know what? You’re smart enough to figure this out on your own.”

And oh my goodness. Do we really want people having common sense and saying, wait a minute. If this approach was so good, why would we have to offer Krispy Kreme donuts, and marijuana, and lottery tickets, and major league baseball tickets – I mean, we wouldn’t have to bribe the American people for doing that.

Recognize that, as a research scientist with 53 years, if these drug vaccines had actually been tested properly, and done correctly so that they produce the desired end result? I’d be the first person in line saying, “Go get ’em!” That’s not what you’re hearing. What you’re hearing, is that’s not what’s going on, and these are the people who built it.”

Mike Adams @39:26: “Okay, your experience in psychology leads me to this next question. One of the things that we find, in trying to reach out to people, is that those who have already taken the vaccine, then, they of course are now looking for data and filtering out anything, so that they can reinforce their previous behavior. So they’re taking the vaccine, they cannot cognitively accept contradictory information that would show, retroactively, that they made a bad decision. That phenomenon is very real.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @39:57: “Right. Right. But here’s the good news for them. Because part of the problem for them is that they’re going, “Well, if I accept that, now it means… I’m in trouble. And the people that I thought I was protecting are in trouble.”

Well here’s the good news. Number one: it turns out that we did research on people that had the infection or developed COVID-19 and we showed success in 99.83% of the cases by treating the inflammation, the blood clotting and the attachment of the virus and its ability to replicate. So with the stress of all this, I actually put together a protocol based upon prior published research, from lots of different people. You can go to the website, the one area of published research on SARS has more than a hundred and sixty research papers on it.”

Mike Adams @40:47: “And this is all at flemingmethod.com?”

Dr. Richard Fleming: “Flemingmethod.com. That will explain these different drugs, and the vaccines themselves. The EUA documents. And drugs that work and why they work.

So one of the examples is, Ivermectin has not been known, the way I do it, with tissue measurement, to interfere with the attachment of replication of the virus. What it has been shown to do, is protect the nucleus of the cell from being, from having genetic material from outside the cell get into your cell and become part of your DNA.

So one of the problems of the vaccines, is it’s dumping BILLIONS, versus hundreds of viral particles, but BILLIONS of genetic codes for spike proteins. And we’re talking for Pfizer/Moderna, 13.1 billion, and for Janssen and AstraZeneca, 50 billion. You know. In Novavax it’s nothing more than just dumping in a load of that spike protein made inside moth cells. And God knows what’s actually in the spike protein since it had to get in the DNA of the moth cell to then be made.

I mean, you know, at what – I don’t know. Right? Because they’re not actually showing it, so injecting that is not more intelligent. It’s injecting spike proteins made by moth cells, into you, with probably something else.

And so, what these protocols that I put on the website for people who have been vaccinated or have shedding problems, which we know shedding’s a real thing because the FDA and Health and Human Services published 2 papers: 1 in August of 2015, talking about, what do you do with mRNA and DNA viral and bacterial gene therapies? Their words, not mine. And then in January of 2020, came out with an updated report, FDA and Health and Human Services and CDERs on the shedding byproducts are the products of what you inject in the body. Which are, you know, spike protein and who knows what else? Right?

So as a result of that, we’ve put together the best evidence available, treatment protocols, and we have been testing that in Europe and some places in the United States, and we’re seeing positive results from people. So we know the sooner that gets started the better, and, you know, if you’re not symptomatic, you don’t see anything, you know, you have nothing to measure. But it’s not a done deal just because you got vaccinated and you had problems or you’re concerned about it.

We know from the animal models right now that the humanized mice developed brains that look like sponges; so what I would call spongiform encephalopathy, and what the general public calls mad cow disease. We know the rhesus macaque animal models – the rhesus macaque animal models showed Lewy bodies, which causes Alzheimer’s disease in the brains of all the animals that were given these spike proteins. We know this is true whether you get it naturally or by the vaccine. The difference is that these drug vaccine biologics have BILLIONS compared to hundreds or thousands. Right? So you don’t have to be a rocket scientist. You don’t have to have a PhD, MD, JD to figure this out. You know, my parents would have told you, “Yeah, billions versus hundreds, big difference.”

Mike Adams @44:12: “But, but I’ve actually, I’ve heard from people who were trying to justify why they took the vaccine, and they would actually tell me that they wanted the smallest possible exposure and that the vaccine could provide that. And I said, “Are you kidding me?” I mean, that’s not a small exposure. What are they injecting – 250 microliters? And, you know, spike protein particles are really tiny. So there’s a lot of ’em in there.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @44:37: “Yeah, when you do the math, and you can – there’s actually, I’ve got that on the website so you can do the math based upon the volume, and for the lipid nanoparticles, Pfizer and Moderna, it’s 13.1 BILLION. And Janssen and AstraZeneca it’s 50 BILLION. Okay? [Mike Adams: “Incredible.”]

And you have to understand, once you appreciate that this spike protein is a man-made gain of function bioweapon, and then you realize that the vaccines are nothing more than the genetic code for the bioweapon, now you realize that the vaccines ARE the bioweapon. In addition to the virus.”

Mike Adams @45:16: “But, what you’re saying makes perfect, logical, rational sense. But how can mainstream doctors be so self-convinced it seems, when you can give them research. Hey, the Salk Institute says the spike protein causes widespread vascular damage, and the spike protein is IN the AstraZeneca vaccine that’s been linked to blood clots and so on. And they will – they will somehow, they will delete that from their consciousness. They will say that they don’t believe there is a spike protein. Or that they think that that antigen target is harmless. They just delete, from their consciousness – It’s like, it’s like mass hypnosis or something. Really.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @45:27: “Yeah, and one of the reasons we’re having so many papers – that 160+ papers and it’s growing every day, on the website, is doctors do want to do the right thing, by and large. But they haven’t had the data. They haven’t known where to go look for it. And they haven’t had the data to look and say, “Wait a minute. This was a gain of function bioweapon. This was something man-made.”

The benefit of putting this information out there, for the general public to read, and for the doctors to read, is to bring everybody up to speed. You know, last year, a year ago, I’d have said, “You know what, doctors? I get it. You’re just going along with what we’ve done before. We know vaccines can be beneficial for people.”

I’m not anti-vaccine. I’m just anti-bad medicine. Okay? People have heard me say that now probably too much. But I’m just anti, anti-stupidity, okay? Richard doesn’t suffer fools gladly. That’s what my original mentor used to tell people. And I don’t. I don’t. I don’t care what position or power, authority they have. And the more of that they have, the more responsibility they have to be honest and upright, and honest with people.

So the truth of the matter is, a year ago, I could give a break to my medical colleagues and say, “Okay, you just didn’t know. You were going along with what’s been taught. But look guys. We’ve never seen this much of a blithering disaster before in our lives.” Right?

I mean, we’ve never had a problem where we’ve promoted a variant that’s more infective of something as a result of the vaccines we’ve done. Our vaccines in the past have taken a virus, say… measles. Okay? And we’ve taken the whole, the whole family of measles, right? You know, because there’s not one thing. It’s just one human, right? Humans vary, but they’re all humans. There’s not one type of bacteria, you know, e. coli, but there’s a variety of them, but they’re all e. coli. Well there’s not just one type of SARS-CoV-2. There’s varieties of those.

So in the past we’ve always taken those viruses, we’ve weakened them, attenuated them, and then injected it into people. So what did people see? They saw all of them. And they saw all the parts of the virus. So they didn’t just see a spike protein. They saw the nucleocaps, and the envelope, and the HE and all the other components of it that they can then make antibodies to, and t-cell responses to. So if they saw any of that in the future, they responded.

What did we do this time around? We didn’t give you the whole thing. We gave you the genetic code of a bioweapon, of one type of spike protein, so that the further you get away from that, the less likely you’ll respond to it, and you won’t recognize the virus if you get a variant of it for real, because not only will the spike protein be different, but you’ll never have had any exposure, the HE component, or the envelope component, or the nucleocapsid component. So it’s all brand new to you; you’ve got NO immunity.

And there’s papers that have been published that show that people with natural exposure to SARS-CoV-2 have long lasting natural immunity with t-cell and antibody major responses – it doesn’t matter how bad the exposure was or how bad the infection was. And there’s data that shows that there’s no relapse for people who have had influenza A inside a megalovirus. 

Mike Adams @49:14: “Yeah, robust natural immunity was the term. Now, now Dr. Walensky of the CDC has admitted a recent quote. She said that we’re only a couple of mutations away from the original vaccines being completely ineffective. So, she’s saying what you just said. I mean, she’s confirming it. That’s almost a direct quote from her. It’s astonishing! Even they realize their vaccines are failing.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @49:40: “This is a dog chasing its tail. And while that’s fun to do with a dog, particularly if it’s your dog and you like him, okay? This isn’t exactly the same thing, is it? I mean, people – people are dying, because they get infected and then when they get ill, they’re not getting treatment. That doctors KNOW work. Okay? These agencies do not have the legal authority to be telling doctors not to use these treatments. [Mike Adams: “It’s extraordinary.”]

Agencies don’t have the right to ship people off to camps. That governor, doesn’t have a legal right in his state, to do that. His legislature needs to step up, the people in that state need to look at their elected officials and go, “Guys. You want to be elected next term? You need to put a hold on this. You don’t have this authority.” This did not become the Third Reich/Fourth Reich in the last 2 years. Even though they’ve been playing with this for 3 decades.”

Mike Adams @50:41: “Well, knowing some people from Tennessee, I have a feeling there’s going to be a shorter John Rope coming up real soon. But we’ll, we’ll leave that to people’s imagination.

Let me ask you about inflammation. This is our last 5 minutes here. You’re an expert on inflammation and I think one of your patents you said relates to the measurement of inflammation in tissues. I want to ask you about your estimate of the progression of the inflammatory response, specially based on the mRNA technology that’s causing people to generate these spike protein bioweapons in their bodies.

And again, the Salk Institute says, yeah, these spike protein cause vascular damage. We’ve seen blood clots, especially in young, healthy males with otherwise healthy cardiovascular function. We’ve seen myocarditis, we’ve seen strokes, we’ve seen heart attacks, lots of things.

What’s the prognosis if people don’t do the things that you describe on your website? Because there are interventions that can be post-vaccine interventions, that can help tremendously. But if they don’t do those things, because it’s all being censored, what’s the progression that we can expect to see even antibody dependent enhancement?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @51:46: “Yeah, so an antibody dependent enhancement is very unique to this virus. Which is also another trigger for you to realize that it’s not a naturally occurring one. Because in this virus, the antibody dependent enhancement is actually the result of antibodies being made to the end terminal domain of the spike protein. And when those antibodies attach, they open up the spike protein and make it 4 to 10 times as infective. That’s the real antibody dependent enhancement.

It’s different than anything we’ve seen before. But this is – so the body is going to produce this InflammoThrombotic Response that I talked about originally in ’94 or ’95, put in my textbook in ’99. Did the bacterial work from 2000 to 2003 and was on 20/20 talking about it in 2004, so you would’ve thought we’d have this down by now. But your body sees something infected, whether it’s a spike protein or the virus, and it dumps chemicals from your t-cells to try and kill anything that’s been attached to it, to try to stop the replication of the virus. That happens at about 3-5 days, and then in 7-10 days your b-cells kick in and do much of the same thing chemically, but then also make antibodies. Right? So they’re going to go in and they’re going to attach to that tissue.

Now, all you need to go back and do is look at strep pharyngitis, when people get strep throat and doctors like myself say, particularly cardiologists like myself say, ‘you need antibiotics for that’. Why do we write that? Because those antibodies that respond to streptococcus pneumoniae, or what you call strep throat, also recognize the valves of your heart as looking an awful lot like it, and produce rheumatic heart disease. There’s different heart valves. And over the course of time, you’ll end up with a valve replacement. So when these attacks occur on your heart, if you don’t stop them sooner than later, it causes inflammation and damage and weakness to the heart. And the longer that goes on, the more that damage is going to occur and it’s going to add up over the course of time.

And you’re going to take, for the love of God, vaccinating our kids, and – and you know, all the way down, and our college students, our university students, our athletes, with these – these vaccines that are producing, we know, 6,000 cases so far reported on VAERS of heart attacks, or damage/death to the heart. And cardiomyopathies, or inflammation of the heart that produce viral cardiomyopathies – that we’ve known about since, I don’t know, at least I – when I was in medical school in the Dark Ages in the early 80’s, 1980’s, it’s going to get progressively worse and worse and worse.

We know from the animal models that the brain disease that occurs in those animals means that at about a year and a half, we’re going to start seeing this occur in people. Now it’s going to depend on how much they got exposed to, and how much got into the brain, how much damage was done to the heart. But we’re going to see these progressive diseases take more and more of a toll if people don’t take action to address them.”

Mike Adams @54:46: “Well Dr. Hoffe from Canada has spoken about using d-dimer tests, I believe to – and some microscopy, to look at micro blood clots in the vascular system of post-vaccine patients. And he’s expressed tremendous concern about medium term 2-3 years out, vascular damage that is accumulating and leading to severe cardio events. Have you seen what he’s talking about?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @55:16: “Yeah, FlemingMethod is the only way that – is the way that we monitored those treatments so we can fine-tune in our study what was going on. And you can monitor people every 3 days and you can see the change; you can see whether they’re getting better on the treatment or not making any change or getting worse. So this stuff doesn’t take a ton of time to start seeing any effect.

You know, once the immune system kicks in, 3-5 days for t-cells, 7-10 days for antibody production, from the delayed humoral response, and you’re going to start seeing damage occur. If you don’t do something about that damage, and you develop COVID-19 as a result, you’re going to see the consequences of that. A slow smoldering process is still a fire that’s burning. It may not end you up in the hospital, but it’s going to – and it’s going to depend on the person. How bad that turns out over the course of time. And we’re going to get to see it.”

Mike Adams @56:12: “I’ve got to ask you this question. I hope you can stay another couple of minutes, but, what about the proinflammatory properties of certain low-grade seed oils that are heavily used in the diet – such as soy oil, corn oil, and so on – perhaps canola. Do you think there’s kind of a confluence of synergistic toxic effects from COVID-19 vaccines, spike protein injections, and dietary factors such as proinflammatory ingredients?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @56:41: “Right, so the original theory that I talked about in 1994 that’s on the website, includes all of those factors together. I mean, basically I joined American Heart in 1976 as the youngest faculty member ever. And that put me on 3 major committees right upfront: Basic Cardiac Life Support, Advanced Cardiac Life Support, and the newly formed Physician Cholesterol Education Faculty.

So I went around talking about cholesterol and training physicians and the general public on all these different aspects. And then in 1994, after doing a lot of research on heart disease and diets and, you know, I was, I did several dietary studies; I’ve done more dietary studies that I ever wanted to do in my life, on the effect of various diseases including heart disease.

And in 1994 I walked into American Heart and I said, “Look guys, okay, I’ve been – I’ve looked at my data, I’ve looked at all the other data.” You know. I’ve looked at data outside of the U.S., outside of medicine; I’ve looked at everybody’s data. I had something like 5 or 6 hundred papers at that time, and I said, “Here’s the 12 things that I think play a role to varying degrees in different people. Much like a spider’s web, where you can tug on one part, it’ll affect everything else. And it produces this inflammation wall of the arteries, make it impossible for the arteries to relax and carry more blood flow, and that’s really what heart disease is.” And I got told I didn’t know what I was talking about, you know.

In fact, the HERS 2 trial, or HERS trial was coming out where they were talking about estrogen replacement, and I said, “Look. This is going to be a problem.” And they said, “No no no. We know this is going to come out well.” And that study they presented in ’94, they said, “Whoops. Look. So bad. This actually causes more heart disease.” And I said, “Really? You think so?”

Because what I was trying to tell people is, what are the general practice doctors, the family practice doctors usually do when they talk to young women that are just getting married and they say, “Doctor, I don’t want to have children right away. I want to just have time with my husband.” So they prescribe them birth control pill. Right? Estrogens, right? Right? And what’s the question the doctor says? “Well, you have any clotting problems in your family?” Why? Because we know that with the estrogens at that level, and clotting problems, you end up with problems.

Well, gee. I was part of the theory. So the theory said, yeah, cholesterol, triglycerides, saturated fats, highly processed foods, homocysteine, lipoprotein little a, fibrinogen, manipulation of things, bacteria, and viruses. All played a role, and some other things that I’d have to go look at the theory again. I put it in a nice schematic for people. All play a role to varying degrees.

So, when this hit, all SARS-CoV-2 did was, deformally prove the entire theory. Which wasn’t exactly what I was going for. But you know, back in the 90’s, I was working on these neuro five ac receptors, that I had concerns about as far as causing inflammation from animal, animal meats, and what was going – it turns out that that’s exactly what these people were working on the virus at the time, because the GP120 uses that same receptor. It’s called a sialic raft receptor, just to first hook into to help stabilize the virus to infect. But it’s also a prion region of that.

So, and when Shi Zhengli, as you’ll see in the book, put glycoprotein 120 in 2004, my original thought was she was doing it to try and get it into the nucleus of the cell, because she didn’t have that data. The Human Genome Project was being completed at that time showing that you didn’t need to do it that way. The cells would do it if you give them the right virus or bacteria. But what it did do is it anchored into the cell, and it’s a prion. And she knew that, because the data was already published in 2004 that showed GP120 produces prion diseases.

Well, it got put into the spike protein, along with everything else, produced another prion region of the spike protein that attached. That’s the regional binding site that attaches to the ace2 receptor. So, they knew this, they played with it, they intentionally did it, they knowingly did it. They violated international treaties. Violating informed consent violates more of those international treaties. So, yeah. All these things play a role.”

Mike Adams @1:01:01: “What if the, the Fauci 2.0 Special, that they might release next, this gets back to something you mentioned right at the very beginning, that the research was continuing into pushing what sounds like HIV portions, into the genetic code to achieve some sort of immunodeficiency effect? What if that’s the next bioweapon? It’s an aggressive, now novel bioweapon; none of the current vaccines touch it at all. It causes more vascular damage and it turns off the immune system. Wouldn’t that be kind of a global killer right there? Like a – like an extinction level, you know, attempt?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @1:01:41: “One of the things you’re going to see in the book is that there’s 1,770 nucleotide bases in the spike protein, that are identical to HIV and SIV, which is simian immunodeficiency virus. 

Mike Adams: “Okay. All right. So we’re not too far off the mark. Yeah, exactly. Wow. Well I hope, I hope – I mean, I can ask you questions for hours if you had the time, but I hope you’ll come back and do this again. You’re a fascinating individual, I really honor your courage in speaking out, but also the brilliance of your understanding of this. I think it – if science is to be saved at all, it’s going to be due to people like yourself, by the way. So thank you for what you’re doing. And thank you for joining us today.”

Dr. Richard Fleming: “Thank you. My pleasure to be here.”

Mike Adams: “Absolutely. Now, folks, Dr. Fleming’s book is, “Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?” Check out his website, I’m going to: flemingmethod.com. Now I’m fascinated about all his research into inflammation prevention.

I’m drinking my turmeric smoothie right here. This is part of my anti-inflammatory response. My neuro-protective potion, right there.

So, spread the word, folks. This is going to be censored on youtube, but you are free to post it everywhere else. Thank you for watching. I’m Mike Adams, the founder of brighteon.com. Take care.”

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Thank you to everyone exposing these corruptions.