Are the Vaccines Affecting Our Spirituality? | There May be More to it Than We Think

Father Savvas Agioritis shares testimonies of spiritual decline after taking the vaccines.

There are many accounts now of detrimental effects after taking the COVID vaccine that has left not only a physical toll on thousands of people, but also a spiritual one.

As the vaccines are rolled out more and more, additional information/data/studies have come to light, with an abundance of the population now experiencing vaccine-remorse. Amidst all of the adverse side effects, deaths, and vaccine-remorse, are also guilt-plagued individuals who are sure that this vaccine has damaged their spiritual/soul connection.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, there have been predictions and studies of this very effect being caused by vaccines by several theologists, researchers, doctors and scientists, which I will link to after the following video.

In the below video, Father Savvas Agioritis shares experiences of his fellow members who have taken the COVID vaccine injection. It is a chilling and unnerving account; and there are others who are experiencing the same despair.

Thank you to Father Savvas Agioritis for bringing this testimony to awareness. And a huge thank you as well to whoever added the English subtitles to the video.

The video has been transcribed below using the subtitles from the video. Slight spelling alterations (vaxxine-vaccine) and embellishment has been added for emphasis.

Father Savvas: “I would like to present to you a personal testimony of a Priest-Monk, who made the mistake of getting vaxxed. This is his confession. If anyone wants to know his name, I can tell you privately. He is a priest under Archbishop Ieronymos of Greece. I will be reading directly from the publication. Which fortunately, it is still on the internet.

[Priest-Monk]: “With a few words, I will relate my experience after taking my first dosage of the Pfizer vaccine.

God obstructed me with many signs before taking the vaccine, due to shortness in time I will not mention all of them.

As I was heading towards the vaccination center, right before I was getting into the queue I felt something was obstructing my approach. As I approached, I felt (smelled) a stench that surprised me.”

Father Savvas: “Said the monk. You see, God cautioned him and he still went ahead.”

[Priest-Monk]: “While I was taking the vaccine, others were waiting outside. As I was leaving I was unable to wear my Kalimafi (priest hat).

I felt a great shame within myself, and left holding my kalimafi in my hands.”

Father Savvas: “As you can see, he began to feel the demonic influence right away. As he was ashamed to wear his Kalimafi even though he is a priest.”

[Priest-Monk]: “Arriving home, I went to the bathroom to wash my face. Upon looking at the mirror, I was frightened at my face due to the expression I had.

The next day I went shopping at the supermarket and since it was still the period after Pascha (before the leave-taking), I would normally greet the shopkeepers with “Christos Anesti (Christ is Risen!)” or respond “Alithos Anesti (Indeed He is Risen)”.”

Father Savvas: “So as you know, for 40 days after the resurrection, we refrain from saying “Hello/Good day”, and replace the phrase with “Christ is risen”. And the other Christian should respond “Alithos Anesti” and not say “likewise”.

[Priest-Monk]: “As a Priest monk, I was surprised to discover that I was very ashamed to say “Christo Anesti” to the shopkeepers. This greatly overwhelmed me.” 

Father Savvas: “He began to realize more intensely that something was not going well in his soul.”

[Priest-Monk]: “A day later I went and attended a divine service at a local church, but not to liturgize the service as the priest.

Upon entering the Altar I felt as if I was dead.”

Father Savvas: “You see a living spiritual person notices the difference straight away.”

[Priest-Monk]: “The joy I used to feel at the divine service was lost. It was as if I was not entering the altar of a Holy Church, but as if I had entered a room in a house. All these things surprised me, but at the time I did not believe they stemmed from the vax.

I saw familiar parishioners turn their faces away from me.

The next day I found out that my conscience was causing me terrible pain. It is as if I had been pierced in my heart with such pain that I had never felt before in my life.

I told this to a fellow Archimadrite (Monastic Priest), of what I was feeling, and he consoled me. He told me words along the lines of: ‘It’s nothing, don’t worry about it.’

Upon leaving, I found that this pain in my conscience was relentless and was deepening further within me. After that day forward I was in a deeply troubled state which lasted 13 days. I could not sleep or quiet down.

Now allow me to explain the most terrible part. Day and night I constantly saw Satan in front of me, his face 20mm distance from mine.

I went to sleep at night, and felt him hugging me, and I would get cold all over.

I would read the Salutations (Χαιρετισμούς) to the Virgin Mary and I would feel as if my blood was burning in my veins. I felt a foreign presence within me and it was judging me.

I felt a horror as if someone was saying: “You belong to me now.”

Father Savvas: “Do you understand how terrible these things are? And very true because we personally know this person.

In turn, this proves another experience of another Priest-Monk who was doing exorcisms. And the demon being pressed told the truth while having a monologue: “Why am I telling you this? I don’t want to tell you this, but I am being pressed.”

The Priest-monk replied, “I am not pressing you.” The demon replied, “I am being forced to tell you.”

So the demon told him thus: “We did a ceremony at a Lodge in America for the vaccines.” The satanists performed a ceremony for the vaccines. Furthermore the demon said: “Those who take this vaccine will be unable to repent.” Now this may seem too harsh.

The Priest-monk then asked, “Why won’t they be able to repent?”

The demon responded, “Because I will be inside of them.”

You can see a correlation with the initial Priest-monk who was saying the same thing, that he felt Satan inside of him and saw him 20mm away from his face telling him, “you belong to me”.

The Priest-monk performing the exorcism, was having a dialogue with the demon. The demon was speaking through the demon-possessed person.

The demon told him: “Those who took the vaccine cannot repent because I am inside of them.” The Priest-monk asked, “How are you inside of them?”

The demon answered, “With the blood of the aborted fetuses.”

We have mentioned previously, that fetuses were used in the vaccine and were purposely murdered for their cells. These cells were extracted from the living fetuses by these atheist scientists and doctors who don’t hold anything sacred and holy.

They also remove the organs from a living fetus. If the fetus is dead, the organs and cells are useless. Therefore, they were not taking the fetuses from the waste bin. Which even if they were, does not make it morally right, as an abortion had taken place. However, in this case, these fetuses were specifically prepared for an abortion.

So the devil confesses, “I am already inside those who took it via the blood of the fetuses.”

So this confession of this demon, correlates with the Priest-monk who was seduced into taking the vaccine.

So as we previously read; he was saying he was ashamed to wear his kalimafi, to say ‘Christos Anesti’, how he felt dead whilst being in the holy altar, how everyone turned their faces away from him because his face was altered… how for 13 days he could not sleep or settle down, and most terrifying of all, day and night was seeing the face of Satan from his face at a 20mm distance continuously… and how he felt Satan hugging him, and though he was trying to read the Salutations, his blood was burning in his veins, and he felt someone saying to him, “You belong to me now.”

Thus the Priest-monk continues:

[Priest-Monk]: “I had stayed at my family home in case of an adverse reaction, after a few days I left.

At the Monastery where I currently reside, at the Divine Liturgy, I found that I could not understand a thing.

I felt as if I was dead, I was constantly rushing through the service, felt great anxiety, not a speck of joy, I felt as if I was not a priest or even a baptized Christian!

I reached a point unable to speak as if I had lost my voice. I felt my life was dark and a constant state of despair.”

Father Savvas: “You see this person made this mistake and is being humbled. This means he has an ecclesialogical conscience. This is very important.

As there are others who have made this mistake, and after seeing this mistake do not confess it, so that they may warn others.

Let’s continue reading.”

[Priest-Monk]: “While I was in this hopeless state, a familiar family came to visit the monastery. I spoke with the mother. 

She said to me, ‘Father, why are you speaking like this? Many people after taking the first dosage, do not end up taking the second dosage. So you too, should not take second dosage!’

Father Savvas: “She gave him some courage.”

[Priest-Monk]: “As she was telling me these words, I felt a certain refreshing dew entering my soul.”

Father Savvas: “This was from God.”

[Priest-Monk]: “I was consoled by God’s grace.”

Father Savvas: “Because he had begun to repent. God sends people to console us, to inform us. This is how God works during such situations. Just a word, though many times irrevlevant, shows us the way.

So she said, “Ok, you made a mistake. Don’t make the next mistake.” i.e. don’t take the second dosage.” Let’s continue:

[Priest-Monk]: “I find it unnecessary to mention the despair I went through and the tears I shed. I don’t know whether it’s a coincidence or not, but exactly 40 days after the vaccine I started to feel the grace of God again.”

Father Savvas: “After 40 days he began to feel that he was baptized again. He came back with repentance.

So he confessed his sin, received the rite of forgiveness, and shed many tears. As it is written here; He cried continuously for 40 days and only then did he begin to feel the grace of the Holy Spirit.”

[Priest-Monk]: “I began to feel peace and consolation, that God had forgiven me for what I had done, even though I had no knowledge of what this vaccine actually was.”

Father Savvas: “Sadly there are many people like this, not everyone is indifferent, there are others who are directed by tyranny and fear… or by pressure, by their children or doctors, etc.

However, when you have the correct information you don’t submit to all of this. This poor fellow was seduced, but now he has corrected his actions.

So after 40 days he began to feel the forgiveness of God.”

[Priest-Monk]: “I do not dare or want to know what would have happened to me if I had taken the second dosage of the vaccine. The only thing I can say is that God felt sorry for me.

Even though now I feel better, I have not recovered to the state I was in prior to taking the vaccine.

In my humble opinion, this vaccine by Pfizer that I took is a mark (seal), but not the final mark. Most likely a forerunner for the final mark of the beast (Book of Revelations).”

Father Savvas: “This last statement correlates with another remark made by a demon during another exorcism. A close friend of mine, a respectable Priest-monk had told me. He had a dialogue with a demon during an exorcism.

The demon told him, “Yes, this vaccine is not the final mark (stamp), but it is still a mark, a forerunner… And those who are like you, when they take the vaccine they lose their light.” The demon continued, “A short man had burned us with these exorcisms!” This short priest (Elder) is well known and performs exorcisms… The demon continued, “Now that he (the short Priest) took the vaccine, he has lost his strength. Now I am able to approach him and kiss his hand!”

Previously, the demon would tremble with this Elder. But now that the Elder has taken the vaccine, the demon is able to get his blessing. This correlates with the Priest-monk we have been reading about: “Even though now I feel better, I have not yet recovered to the state I was in prior to taking the vaccine.”

As you can see, these vaccines not only cause physical (biological) harm, but spiritual harm also.

We have read this testimony as an example, and it is from a person living a proper ecclesiastical (church-minded) life. Because as we previously said, when someone makes a mistake that is impacting many others, it’s most beneficial to correct this mistake publicly. This is in order to protect other members of our Holy church from making the same mistake.

As St. Chystostomos says, “The lukewarm Christians are living in comfort.” The lukewarm are those who want to combine everything; the world, Christ, hedonism (love of sexual pleasure), avarice (love of money), the external appearances (vanity)… to not be disenfranchised (segregated), go to Church, take Holy Communion, Holy Confession, etc. These lukewarm “Christians” cause the most damage to the church.

And they don’t admit to their mistakes, as they think they do everything correctly. If they make a mistake, they don’t correct it. They do not publicly repent of their sin so they may protect those around them.

As it is written in the book of Revelation, these are people that God will spit out (vomit them out). It is best to be hot or cold, never lukewarm. The one who is spiritually cold may at one point understand their spiritual blindness and become hot. God wants us to be hot. However, the lukewarm are comfortable.

Sadly, most people nowadays are lukewarm. As mention by Father Athanasios Mitilinaios, most Christians are lukewarm. We too are lukewarm and need to stop being lukewarm.

To a faithful person of God death does not exist, this is the reality. We have forgotten this and we presently fear death. Not only do we fear death, we also fear being fined, possible imprisonment, and prosecution. In NO case can a person call themselves a Christian if they fear death. When a person fears dying, they become an idolater or an atheist.

Instead a Christian should long to die. The saints wanted to die. The reason why Christians truly want to pass away is so they can be fully united to the Lord they worship and love above all else. They want to go and are joyful when they are passing away. However, they never cause death to themselves, they do not commit suicide. But when the opportunity arises to become a martyr and confessor for Christ, they do this without fear of death.

Unfortunately, these things are not being heard from the Preachers, Bishops and Priests, but as you know are heard from the demons.

A well-respected Priest-monk who perform exorcisms, once told me what a demon said to him. The demon said to him, “How are you Christians fearful of death? I have seduced and deceived you into taking the vaccine with the fear of death!” A demon again confesses that the vaccines are his doing. In fact, he says, “We did a ceremony at a Lodge in America for the vaccines.”

See what the demon confesses! The demon continues: “What did you fear? For you (Christians), death does not exist.” For Christians, death does not exist. Do you understand, fellow brothers and sisters, where we’ve come to?

In the Gospels, Christ said something correlating with our present situation. When He entered Jerusalem and the children were calling out, “Hosana! Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!” The children were proclaiming Jesus as the awaited Messiah. And others who were indignant were saying to Jesus, “Are you hearing what they are saying to you?” Christ responds, “I tell you that if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.”

So correlating with today’s situation, now that the Priest and Archpriest are not proclaiming that death has been conquered, the demons are proclaiming it instead: “How are you Christians fearful of death? And are all running to take this vaccine?”

Which isn’t really a vaccine, but rather a gene therapy/technology, with the aim of oppressing humans. This is the aim, which is why there will be more dosages. In fact, there are many people who say there will be 7 dosages. The demons also state that there will be 7 dosages.

Those who were deceived into taking the first or second dosage, hopefully, will not take the remaining dosages. May they repent, weep and go to confession, because their salvation is in danger. We all ought to be vigilant of this.

I’ll read another Priest-monk’s testimony to you all, which was published on the internet unless it’s now been erased. Because whatever is true these days, is usually censored on the internet. As you know the internet is Satan’s. Unfortunately, the internet is not governed by God’s people. Whatever they want they remove, as much as possible they eliminate anything that is good and right.

So this Priest-monk who published his testimony on the internet said, “I considered taking the vaccine was nothing. So I went and got it. But after I got it, I lost my prayer. I felt Satan coming and hugging me. For 40 days I could not even say ‘Lord have mercy.’ ” This Priest-monk has testified this publicly. I personally know him. He is from a Monastery in Peloponese. He also urges everyone not to make his mistake (of getting vaccinated), and whoever has already taken it, to not take any further dosages, which will cause more harm for both body and soul.

In conclusion, these are the things I wanted to say to you, brothers and sisters in Christ. As you can see, there are many testimonies from many individuals. God even caused the demons to give a testimony. Remember what the demon was saying to Priest-monk during the exorcism?

“Why am I telling you all this?! I do not want to tell you, but I am being pressed.”

We must also remember that the devil lies too, however, there are many times when the devil says the truth, especially when forced with the prayers that are read during an exorcism. Likewise, we read in the gospels, the demons saying the truth to Jesus, “You are the Son of God!” The demons confessed that Christ is God.

Let us take these things into account so that we don’t fall into this trap of Satan. Which as you can see, Satan is using much force to direct all of humanity into this trap. So he can kill as many as possible. This is the murderer (man-killer) that Satan is. This is now all coming into fruition with what is happening globally.

The devil wants to take as many souls as possible, this is his final goal. If all these things (vaccines) were good why would they make them mandatory? Something that is good is not forced. You see Christ, whenever He went to heal someone, He would ask, “Do you want to become well?”

These rulers nowadays are trying to force us to be well. That’s what they think. However, they don’t want to make us healthy, quite the opposite is occurring actually. Because we know these vaccines cause sterility and thousands of other adverse reactions. Over 2 million adverse reactions were recorded in Europe. And over 600,000 adverse reactions in America. Over 21,000 deaths in Europe, and 14,000 deaths in America. These are all mainstream statistics that you can find online.

Therefore we do not need to eat idiotic grass and sleep with our boots on (greek expression; We don’t need to be idiots). Under no circumstances are we to accept these things that the evil one is selling us.

May God bless us all. May John the Baptist guide us. To not only cease committing evil, but to call out evil when we see it. Whoever cowers and is silent before sin, becomes an accessory and an accomplice to sin. So what I tell you, you need to tell others, inform all our siblings so that they may not fall into this trap by Satan, and lose the kingdom of God. Amen.”

End of transcript.

I am a believer of Jesus Christ.

Therefore, there are things in the Bible that, while I do not agree with every prospect mentioned – whether due to misunderstandings/possible mistranslations/or it just doesn’t resonate with me (despite reading the apologists’ reasons) – there are many aspects of the Bible that I do believe in.

I have had many experiences and synchronicities that are all pointing to the same thing – which ultimately led me to becoming a spiritual person and a believer in Jesus Christ – and that is, we are literally in a spiritual battle between GOoD and evil.

These are the ONLY two options. The good, holy, righteous path, or the immoral, wicked, sinful path. There is no in-between.

Now, with that being said, and having had first-hand experiences with “unexplainable occurrences”, I have come to believe in the phenomena that “demons” are REAL.

The Bible testifies of Jesus casting out demons from many people. It’s not hyperbole.

And with many people speaking up throughout the years about this widely unaccepted point of view, risking their reputation and credibility to do so – for no monetary or personal gain other than that out of pure, genuine concern for humankind – we need to rethink and reconsider our own belief structures as to how this “world” operates.

” – people will invent a vaccine to influence the organism as early as possible, preferably as soon as it is born, so that this human body never even gets the idea that there is a soul and a spirit.”


“I have told you that the spirits of darkness are going to inspire their human hosts, in whom they will be dwelling, to find a vaccine that will drive all inclination towards spirituality out of people’s souls when they are still very young, and this will happen in a roundabout way through the living body. Today, bodies are vaccinated against one thing and another; in future, children will be vaccinated with a substance which it will certainly be possible to produce, and this will make them immune, so that they do not develop foolish inclinations connected with spiritual life — ‘foolish’ here, of course, in the eyes of materialists.”

Sources: Fall of the Spirits of Darkness | Fall/Darkness: Lecture 5: Changes in Humanity’s Spiritual Make-up
Fall of the Spirits of Darkness | Fall/Darkness: Lecture 13: The Fallen Spirits’ Influence in the World

[ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2262126/ ] – “Experimenting with Spirituality: Analyzing The God Gene in a Nonmajors Laboratory Course”

FUNVAX – Revisited: Video taking a look into the Godgene/VMAT2 Pentagon briefing, which shows an individual presenting a project to remove spirituality (by vaccines) from “religious fundamentalists”

The Bible doesn’t say:

1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
Ephesians 2:1-3
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Ephesians 6:12
19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
1 John 5:19

for no reason.

It is telling us, this is how the world is. You either choose to go the way “of the world”, or follow God/Love/Truth.

For the many people who may feel ashamed after taking the vaccine like the Priest-Monk did, please know that Forgiveness and Repentance is extremely important. Not only for others, but for oneself as well. If I, a complete stranger, can have empathy and love for someone who has been misled about the vaccines, then I know God’s mercy far exceeds my own. But if someone doesn’t repent and doesn’t feel ashamed about it, or doesn’t think it’s wrong, that’s where I believe they will have trouble finding salvation.

Also keep in mind, true repentance means not continuing to make the same mistake. If you feel in your heart that taking these vaccines is wrong, but you have already done so, then by all means, DO NOT TAKE ANOTHER ONE! And most certainly, DO NOT SUBJECT YOUR CHILDREN TO ANY!

And despite the “demon” saying that those who have taken the vaccines will be unable to be forgiven or to gain back their spirituality, as we can see from the Priest-monk’s account, he was indeed able to reconnect with that light source and begin to heal from his guilt and torment. It was his sincere repentance and prayers that reached out to God that allowed him to come out from that darkness.

UPDATED TO ADD: Please be aware that yes, demons DO lie. As well as tell some truths. While the demon in this testimony says that the vaccine is not the mark, but only a precursor to it, be aware that it could be lying and that the vaccine very well could be the mark. Please be aware of all types of deception. I cannot tell you what God has in store for those that take the mark who have been deceived into it or had it actually forced upon them (not as in “I was forced to do it to keep my job”) or forced onto innocent children, verses those who have taken it willingly. I do not know God’s master plan to address this.

But regardless if the vaccine IS the mark or not, it is a dangerous substance that should not be taken at ANY cost.

I will pray for everyone who has already taken it. Much love and blessings to all.

Other notes to consider:

This post was exceedingly hard to write. Earlier the very same day I came across this video:

without any foreknowledge of the video I was to later watch; the one featuring Father Savvas Agioritis. His video does not indicate where the testimony is going to lead. And I only found his video by looking up correlations between spirituality and vaccines, which was my goal. So to hear Father Savvas Agioritis talking about aborted fetuses, right after I watched the one above with Stan Plotkin, was incredibly eerie to me; and to hear both of these videos describing the horrific actions taken on live babies (they are babies to me – whether fully developed or not) was almost too much to bear. It physically hurts my heart to hear how these precious life forms were treated.

Now, there’s one more subject I want to bring up that may shed some interesting, and even further bizarre connotations, especially when considering the relationship between vaccines and demonic interference that Father Savvas Agioritis alludes to, not to mention the proclamations that Rudolf Steiner mentioned in his lectures.

“A mysterious disease condition known as “anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis” that exhibits symptoms similar to demonic possession is increasingly striking young women in the United States of America. Anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis is described as a definitively neurological condition with an external cause.

Anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis is said to be an inflammatory and “mysterious” condition with no known cause or cure. Further investigation exposes vaccines as a likely cause of the condition which, as it turns out, can even occur in young boys.

In a review on Anti-NMDA Receptor Encephalitis, Teresa Conrick from AgeOfAutism.com explains how a 2010 study published in the Journal of Neurology identified a link between the condition and vaccines. Not surprisingly, symptoms of anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis were observed to appear not long after children received routine vaccinations and booster shots, suggesting a likely connection.”

Source: Mysterious disease with symptoms of demonic possession striking young women

“There was first the strange story of a 14-year-old boy admitted in 1949 at the Alexian Brothers Hospital (Saint Louis, MO) for frightening behavioral disturbances (original description attributed to Rev. William S. Bowdern, SJ). Clinical manifestations included explosive episodes of rage, extreme auto- and heteroaggressivity, speech deterioration, sudden “shouts in unknown tongue,” and bouts of contorted postures into seemingly impossible shapes,” propagating vibrations, and even “movements to surrounding pieces of furniture.” The patient recovered soon after an exorcism procedure. This case report, popularized by the famous novel and movie The Exorcist, presents striking clinical similarities with most manifestations of anti-NMDAR encephalitis.”

Source: In Search of Lost Time From “Demonic Possession” to Anti-N-Methyl-D-Aspartate Receptor Encephalitis

[ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30016535/ ] “Anti-NMDAR encephalitis as a serious adverse event probably related to yellow fever vaccination”
[ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28106787/ ] “Anti-NMDA Receptor Encephalitis and Vaccination”

Combine all of this with actual studies that link anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis to symptoms that present like “demonic possession”, and then with the connection of the vaccines to the anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis illness, with the rise of excessively pushed vaccines and more people testifying that they feel as if they’re losing their spiritually, well, I’d say there’s enough substantial evidence here to warrant a full investigation into vaccines and the ACTUAL effect it’s doing to people.

Instead of all of the gaslighting, manipulation, censoring and name-calling that the supposedly “professional experts” are engaged in to silence any opposing opinion on the vaccines. Would an educated, professional, nothing-to-hide individual/organization go to all of these lengths to suppress information? Wouldn’t they rather say, “Investigate to your heart’s content. We know these are beneficial. We have nothing to cover-up.”

…I think we all know the answer to that.

Fact checking is extremely important. I want to reiterate not to take everything at face value; no matter what you read, where you read it from, or who you hear it from. And to be clear, do not rely on “fact checking” websites to give you accurate information either. These are just as likely, (if not even more likely…), to feed false information and false debunking accounts to manipulate the reader. Please take everything into consideration before adhering to a certain narrative – and always keep your mind open to other possibilities.

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Research Into the Jews / Talmud | Pt. 1

A (long) look into another’s religion.

I have never delved too deeply into the Jewish religion and the Talmud, but something compelled me to look into this religion a little more closely in order to try and better understand the world around us.

So far, from what I’ve seen, I feel like my whole world has been turned upside down because I didn’t realize A LOT of what this religion entails. And why it seems to be the main focal point for a lot of people – whether it’s animosity towards Jews, or animosity from [certain] Jews towards everyone else.

With that being said, I have no biased inclinations on this matter, and am looking at all of the information I come across in an objective manner. While yes, I am astounded at some of the facts I’ve come across, I also know that automatically entertaining knee-jerk reactions will not help anyone and instead causes further divide.

Therefore, this post will mostly be comprised of interesting tidbits/facts/information that I’ve come across that hopefully shed some important light on this topic. I can’t guarantee that there will be any semblance of organization in this post, because it will more than likely be me talking (writing?) out loud and trying to connect some of the pieces together.

I’ve decided to divide this into parts since it would be impossible for me to address everything into one single post. If you have further insights and knowledge/research/information on this topic, then I would love it if you’d share it with me. I always love hearing other’s perspectives on these subjects; it also helps gives me a broader understanding of other’s beliefs and cultures.

If you stick with this post, maybe you’ll find something new as well that you never knew before.

Both the Book of Revelations and the Talmud spoke of a week of tribulation – at least according to some Christian clergy and Rabbis…

“So the week of the Son, is an interesting concept. It’s one week of tribulations. What is interesting is the Book of Revelation has the same thing! One week of tribulation; each day another angel pours another cup of sorrow, of suffering, of disaster on the world! Same as in the Talmud. But! The Book of Revelation is at least 200 years before the Babylonian Talmud existed. Even before the Jerusalem Talmud came into being.” – @9:55 A Rabbi Shows Jesus in the Talmud | Messiah in the Talmud – Bava Batra | Joseph Shulam | Netivyah

“Prophecy of 70 Weeks (Daniel chapter 9) is a prophecy given to Daniel by the angel Gabriel in response to Daniel’s prayer for God to act on behalf of his people and city (i.e. Jerusalem). 70 weeks is weeks of years or 1 week of Daniel is = 7 years.” – Revelation 6 (The 7-Year Tribulation Period)

I want to point out, the gentleman in the video posted above, Joseph Shulam, admits that there was an interesting side to the Talmud that at one point changed the name of Yeshua (Jesus) to Yeshu-ah, which changed the original meaning of the text from “Yeshua ha Ben” (Yeshua [Jesus] is the Son) to a reinterpretation of it to mean “the salvation of the Son”. Which inevitably makes one wonder if this was a very deliberate intent to delegitimize Jesus Christ’s significance as the Savior.

So Joseph Shulam is acknowledging that this text is something he had never seen before and regards it with an important notice and that it is something that deserves more investigation. To read the transcript from the video, which definitely helped me with the unfamiliar words, please visit Bava Batra: A Surprising Look at the Messiah in the Talmud

Interestingly enough, he only encounters this passage after a man enters his office and asks him what these passages could mean; clearly confused and perhaps even distraught, since it is a teaching that apparently most Jews do not believe…

Confusion sets in: To believe in Jesus Christ, or not…

“The essential difference between Jews and Christians is that Christians accept Jesus as messiah and personal savior. Jesus is not part of Jewish theology. Amongst Jews, Jesus is not considered a divine being.” – What are the main differences between a Jew and a Christian?

“Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah are called Messianic Jews, or Jewish believers. But terminology can sometimes mislead. “I don’t like labels,” says Joan. “But know two things about me: I am a Jew, and I believe in Yeshua as the Messiah of Israel.” – A Leap to Faith: Judaism to Christianity

“Christians regard Jesus as their Messiah, and this belief is the foundation of their entire faith. For most Jews, however, Jesus is viewed as a historical figure in the tradition of teachers and prophets, but they do not believe he is the Chosen One, the Messiah sent to redeem mankind. Some Jews may even regard Jesus with enmity, seeing him as a false idol.” – Beliefs and Practices of Messianic Jews

“Most Messianic Jews are Jewish by heritage and generally think of themselves as Jews, even though they are not regarded as such by other Jews, or by the legal system in Israel. Messianic Jews see themselves as completed Jews since they have found their Messiah. Traditional Jews consider Messianic Jews to be Christians, however, and in Israel sporadic persecution of Messianic Jews has occurred.” – Beliefs and Practices of Messianic Jews

More of Joseph Shulam’s (a Messianic Jew) insights

Because I appreciated Joseph Shulam’s interesting outlook into the possible intention of changing the Talmudic text to better reflect the ideology of the Ultra-Orthodox Jew, I wanted to research a little further into his other findings.

Here are the following revelations, including how most traditional Jews view Christianity/Jesus Christ, as well as how a few very famous Rabbis chose to leave their high positions and follow Jesus Christ instead. Joseph also speculates that the first Rabbi he mentions, Rabbi Manahem, was largely omitted from the Talmud.

Joseph Shulam @15:49: “The popular idea of the Jewish people is that only idiots, ignorant Jews, uneducated Jews, secular Jews, become disciples of Jesus. That’s the common view of most of the Jews in the world even until this very day.

If you are a real, educated Jew and you knew the law of Moses and the Torah, you would never become a Christian. You would never accept Jesus as the Messiah. That’s the common view.”

@20:50 (from a slide presentation): “Rabbi, no matter how brilliant and of how high office he was, he chose to follow the Messiah rather than to keep his high office. Rabbi Manahem [Menahem] didn’t leave alone; his disciples went with him.”

Joseph Shulam @22:15: “Rabbi Eliezer was arrested for Minuth. Minuth means heresy. And in that time heresy is only one: following Jesus.”

@41:50 (from a slide presentation): “Elisha, son of Abuyah, born to a wealthy family from Jerusalem. He was one of the most important teachers (Sages) Mishnah. Rabbi Elisha is one of the most quoted Rabbis in the Mishnah. [snipped] It is precisely the importance of Rabbi Elisha ben Abuyah that makes this such an important story.”

Joseph Shulam @42:12: [explaining an ascension experience of Rabbi Elisha] “Elisha ben Abuyah comes down, and he, they change his name. They called him, he changed, he became different. “Acher” in Hebrew. He became acher. He changed. Whatever he saw in Heaven, he changed.

[snipped] “What happens when he comes out of that mystical experience? He no longer respects the rabbinical interpretations of the law. He gets on a horse, he rides a horse on Shabbat, he doesn’t observe the Sabbath limit that is rabbinical, essentially; and essentially, Elisha ben Abuyah becomes ameen. Becomes a disciple of Jesus.

What made – what did he see up there that made him become a disciple of Jesus? He saw a man sitting on the right hand of God. And before God, nobody sits; even the Archangels stand in the presence of God. But Elisha ben Abuyah saw a man sitting at the right hand of God. That convinced him to become a disciple of Jesus.”

Interviewer asks @49:27: “Do you have an opinion about what Paul meant in Romans 9 through 11, when he spoke about making my people, Jewish people, jealous?”

Joseph Shulam: “Yes. I have, not only opinion, I have experience of many years of what the Gentiles should do to make the Jewish people jealous. First of all, they should believe in God. More than we as Jews believe in God. Not in religion! Religion is the big – ALL religions, Judaism/Christianity/every religion in the world is the biggest enemy of faith. Religion has brought division and war and hatred to humanity.

Faith, love, hope – those are powers. Powers for life.

And Gentiles should show their love to the Jewish people. We have been, you know, more than a 1,000 years, a 1,000 and 400 years, and even a little more, receiving hate in the name of Jesus. Antisemitism in the name of Jesus. It came from Christians. Muslims were a lot more tolerant toward Judaism and to the Jews than Christians were.

I do agree that Love is the most important power/force in the universe. However, when people can’t tap into this emotion – either by choice or they have already tarnished their soul so much that only God/Jesus can save them, then the world will remain in an ever perpetual state of fear and chaos. While both sides – all sides – of every culture have had their disagreements, strife, animosity towards other groups, the unwillingness to move on from past (even current) hatred and tribulations keeps this cycle moving forward. We can’t fully address this until all sides (or maybe all it takes is for one side…) are willing to lay down this hate and forgive one another.

But that brings me up to another topic. Most of these “disagreements” and animosity, I believe, stem from the fact that one group doesn’t approve of the other group’s actions. Imagine a religion that establishes their rules that all other groups are unworthy, ignorant, no more than beasts created to serve them.

Does this sound loving? Does this sound like a religion that is not infringing upon other’s lives while proclaiming themselves the only group worth living on the planet? Could this be the reason of so much animosity – from every side? That’s not to say that all Jews believe this, of course. But the texts and quotes below are taken from the Talmud and several advocates – and also those who are opposed to this ideology – and shows a very dark, disturbing outlook of how some Jews view Gentiles…

Various quotes from different Jews/Rabbis & excerpts taken from the Talmud:

NOTE: I do not endorse or promote the antisemitism of the video. I just use this video as a reference. I have verified a few of the quotes as legitimate but did not verify every single one. Also please keep in mind that deception may still be possible in framing others for saying something that they didn’t really say.

Source: odysee | @JohnTheConfederate | Jewish Quotes about the GOYIM

Israel Shahak @3:00: “An Orthodox Jew learns from his earliest youth, as part of his sacred studies, that Gentiles are compared to dogs, that it is a sin to praise them. Institutionally, The Book of Education, written in the 14th century, is currently a popular book for Israeli school children, its publication subsidized by the government. Its texts includes material such as ‘The Jewish people are the best of the human species … and worthy to have slaves to serve them. We are commanded to possess them for our service.’

For further context, please visit: Israel Shahak: The Jewish Professor Who Warned the World Against Jews

Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira @11:00: “It is permissible to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation. If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments – because we care about the commandments – there is nothing wrong with the murder.

There is a reason to kill babies on the enemy side even if they have not transgressed the seven Noahide Laws because of the future danger they may present, since it is assumed that they will grow up to be evil like their parents. They can be killed indirectly to put pressure on enemy leaders, or if they are “in the way.”

For further context, please visit: Ultra-Zionist Settler Rabbi Publishes Controversial Book

Rabbi Manis Friedman @18:20: “The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women, children and cattle.”

For further context, please visit: Ask the Rabbis // How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?

I want to mention, reading through the responses of the “How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors” article was actually really touching and brought tears to my eyes. Aside from, of course, the response above.

(The below phrases from the Talmud are just a small few that I have personally verified – although the context could be debated. I want to point out that some of the other phrases that the source quotes I could not find in reference to its sayings.)

“It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile”. — Talmud: Sepher ikkarim III c 25.

“If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there”. — Talmud: Moed Kattan 17a.

Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.” — Talmud: Gittin 57a

– SOURCE: TALMUD QUOTES RELATED TO HATE AND SUPERIORITY OVER AND INEQUALITY VERSUS NON-JEWS

Again, I want to mention the subtle, seemingly mishandling or mistranslation of certain terminology to fit a certain narrative or ideology.

When researching the line of the Talmud: Gittin 57a of Jesus being boiled in hot excrement, there are interesting disagreements on how this verse should be handled.

For instance, some Jews refer to Balaam and Jesus as the same person. However, in Gittin 57a, there is a very obvious distinction that these two individuals are separate, as is related by the Gemara. And there are still debates amongst the Jews and scholars of this passage. In addition, some people have confusion about the passage that states: Jesus of Nazarene (from the Sefaria website), as in many manuscripts the word Nazarene doesn’t seem to appear. Yet, in at least one manuscript, it seems to show this word: [I do not read Hebrew, so cannot verify this]

“I can’t tell you for sure where Koren (whence Sefaria) sourced its inclusion of “the Nazarene”, but I can say that it is included in at least one manuscript of this passage. Namely, in the manuscript titled Vatican 130, we see:

אזל אסקיה לישו הנוצרי בנגידא

You can see a picture of the manuscript on Hachi Garsinan, part of the Friedberg Jewish Manuscript Society. I’ve reproduced the relevant part of the manuscript here:

picture of manuscript Vatican 130 with text הנוצרי

 

– Source: Where does Sefaria get “Nazarene” from in the Talmud in Gittin 57a?

I also want to point out that some Jews regard the story about Onkelos/Jesus as just that; a story. Whether certain Jews actually believe that Jesus is boiling in hot excrement is up to their own interpretation.

So we can see how the Jews, at least from the Talmud, regards the Gentiles (meaning everyone who is not a Jew), and how they regard Jesus Christ. Again, this is not to imply that every Jew thinks this way. Some may regard Jesus Christ as just a man and don’t harbor such harsh hostility towards everyone else; and some, like Joseph Shulam, are Messianic Jews and do believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of mankind. However, I am inclined to believe that there are indeed some Jews that still hold such hatred and animosity towards others who are not included in their group.

Of course, the same could be said by any group. Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Pagans, Atheists… the list goes on and on. So to automatically deride one group for the actions of a few is an ongoing battle (sadly, literally) and the tolerance we have for each other is few and far between.

I think, though, that what largely separates the Jewish community (again, not all of them) is the lengths that this group goes to in order to claim their ownership and their believed birthright as the Chosen People.

A Jew Exposes The Jewish World Conspiracy

Just a cursory glance at this exposé reveals an incredible and almost unbelievable agenda of a small, yet extremely wealthy and powerful group of people who are hell-bent on asserting their control over the world.

A Jew Exposes The Jewish World Conspiracy (1946 by Henry H. Klein)

In this brief but surprisingly informative write-up, Henry H. Klein goes into detail uncovering the takeover of a Jewish force onto the rest of the population, even at the detriment of their own people.

I have chosen a few excerpts just for reference; keep in mind, Henry H. Klein wrote this exposé in 1946… :

Why is a knowledge of the contents of the Protocols important now?

Because they outline a detailed plan for the destruction of the Christian world and for its conquest and control by a handful of Jews known as the Sanhedrin, and because most of it has already been accomplished.

– Source: A Jew Exposes The Jewish World Conspiracy (pg.4)

We must keep anti-semitism alive, say the Protocols, even though we sacrifice some of our own people.

– Source: A Jew Exposes the Jewish World Conspiracy (pg.8)

The Sanhedrin controls all sources of information in the United States.

They control newspapers, magazines, movies and radio broadcasting. They control banks and book publishers. They control politics and politicians. They control public officials and the courts. They control public opinion through the flood of lying propaganda which they let loose on the people during the past thirty odd years and which newspapers must print and radio commentators must blare.

– Source: A Jew Exposes the Jewish World Conspiracy (pg.12)

The Protocols is, in effect, a fulfillment of the Talmud. The Talmud causes Jews to hate Christians and the Protocols outline a program for the destruction of the Christian world. Jesus fought the rabbis and the Sanhedrin in His day and we must fight them now. They are inimical to the Jew and a menace to the people generally.

– Source: A Jew Exposes the Jewish World Conspiracy (pg.12)

Now, Henry H. Klein does mention the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, several times, and it goes without saying that this text has been heatedly debated as being a fraudulent creation for the sole purpose of attacking the Jewish community.

Full text of “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”

However, the passages from the Protocols closely resembles the sentimentality that the Talmud does, especially in regards to the Goyim and the Jews own personal stance as the rightful heirs of the entire world and the power they plan to employ to get there. So to keep denying that the Protocols could possibly be a real legitimate guidebook is turning a blind eye to the actuality of the situation, and the sombering awareness that what has been stated in that text has largely become a reality.

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

This is the elephant in the room. And as some people have found out, even Jews cannot criticize other Jews about this reality. Yet the fallback for anyone even slightly questioning any of these agendas is met with automatic hostility and blindly calling them “antisemitic”. Even if they’re a Jew! The same as how anyone questioning current narratives is labeled as a conspiracy theorist.

But Wilson was not deterred. She responded with a series of tweets:

1) First of all, calm down. Re-tweets don’t imply endorsement. Yes, very provocative, but thoughtful. Many neocon hawks ARE Jewish.

2) Just FYI, I am of Jewish decent. I am not in favor of war with Iran, or getting out of the Iran nuclear treaty. There are simply

3) too many who are so ready to go to war. Haven’t we had enough for a while?

4) Read the entire article and try, just for a moment, to

put aside your biases and think clearly.

– Source: American Jews Are Starting Wars, Jewish Former CIA Spy Valerie Plame Wilson Retweets

I believe in Jesus Christ. I’m not a Christian, per se, but if I were to be labelled anything, it would be a Christian. Yet there are times when I criticize Christians and question certain belief systems, but THAT DOESN’T MAKE ME ANTI-CHRISTIAN.

The same goes for anyone questioning Jews and their belief systems. THAT DOESN’T MAKE THEM ANTISEMITIC.

The same goes for anyone questioning the ridiculous mandates that don’t make any sense and that causes more harm than good. THAT DOESN’T MAKE THEM CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.

We need to step away from this toxic paradigm of labeling anything that doesn’t agree with us as anti-whatever or a “crazy conspiracy nut”. If most of us just look at the information available, and we approach it with an open-mind and not out of defensive bias, we may be able to learn that we are endorsing the wrong side.

I am going to end this post on that note, and again, since this topic is so huge, it is impossible for me to cover it all in one post. There is just simply too much information and research to delve into.

I encourage everyone to do their own research as well and even step outside of their own belief structure to at least try to understand other’s culture. Our hesitance at even looking at other religions and/or entertaining the idea that there very well may be a world wide dictatorship in the works is going to leave us blind-sided and at the mercy of those vouching for control. We need to learn to admit when things have gotten out of hand and that these “conspiracy theories” may not be theories, after all.

Fact checking is extremely important. I want to reiterate not to take everything at face value; no matter what you read, where you read it from, or who you hear it from. And to be clear, do not rely on “fact checking” websites to give you accurate information either. These are just as likely, (if not even more likely…), to feed false information and false debunking accounts to manipulate the reader. Please take everything into consideration before adhering to a certain narrative – and always keep your mind open to other possibilities.

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Genesis 16: Hagar and Ishmael

Earnest Examination

This series is presented as an honest, sincere look into the study of the Bible with my own personal theories, opinions, comments and that of others’ insights and research into what the verses could mean. I cannot claim one way or another that everything that I am stating is fact and the true meaning of what is meant in these verses.

To lay it out in a way that I can manage, I have highlighted the texts of verses that I either don’t understand or have a comment or question about in yellow. And the comments I’ve left beneath it will be of a smaller font and using brown text.

I would love it if you’d join me in this journey and if you have any insights and/or knowledge of these chapters/verses etc., please feel free to share with me and the other readers. Any chance to get a clearer understanding of the Bible and Jesus Christ would be welcomed with open arms.

Version used is from (KJV) Genesis 16

1 Now Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.

It’s interesting how even though Abram trusted in the Lord that he will have descendants that come from his own body, it did not occur to him that it would come from his own wife, Sarai. Instead, because Sarai thought that she could not bear children, then his descendants would have to come from someone else. Thereby offering up her handmaid so that her husband could have children through his bloodline. Was this planned by God all along? If God is omnipresent and omniscient, then He would already know that this is how the story is going to play out.
3 And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
4 And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.
I do want to make another point here, about who many believe wrote Genesis to begin with. Of course this question brings up many debates, but the person most referenced as having written Genesis is Moses. Whether that be from word of mouth and passed down traditions and tales, or whether perhaps he had the testimony dictated to him by an angel of the Lord, or the Lord Himself, it is interesting that a lot of these passed down tales give us an inner look into the emotions and feelings of others. Was there written dictation that Hagar began to hate her mistress? Was there proof of some sort that there was animosity brewing between the two because Hagar felt herself better than Sarai because she can conceive and Sarai couldn’t? And this brings into question how these texts could have been written with the knowledge of what people were feeling and thinking. Yes, God would be able to know how everyone’s feeling, so could it be possible that whoever did write Genesis gets insights into everyone’s thoughts and feelings? And if certain chapters were dictated, how can we be, FOR SURE, that the dictation came from an angel of the Lord, or the Lord Himself? Or even if they came from visions or dreams? How can we be sure that these visions/dreams/etc. were not misconstrued?
I also want to bring up the emotion of Hagar herself for her thoughts of pride for being able to conceive and thinking herself better than someone else because of this. I don’t want to judge this characteristic, because I don’t know what’s going on in her mind/thoughts, but thought it was an interesting perspective. Of course this particular version of the text does not reference Hagar’s complete feelings to Sarai like others do, like the NIV for instance. The NIV gives a little more context to this relationship.

5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.
6 But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thy hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.
Here is another reference to Sarai and Hagar’s relationship, which was never brought up before Hagar became pregnant with Abram’s child. And another wrongdoing, even though it was Sarai’s idea to have Hagar become Abram’s wife as well specifically to have children through her. I also want to make note that at this point, it doesn’t seem as if the Lord has given any instruction as to how to live one’s life. The 10 commandments were not created yet, and the word Love has not even been mentioned yet other than in reference to procreation as can be seen in NIV Genesis 4. In fact, it won’t be mentioned for a few more chapters, and even in that context, as we will see, I have issues with.
So at this point in the Bible, it would appear that people have no way of knowing how to treat each other. We can see such disrespect coming from Hagar to Sarai, and Sarai to Hagar, with not a mention of compassion or kindness. In fact, the last few chapters dealt with gain as far as land and wealth and bloodlines. It’s fascinating that Love has not even been a component yet. Even at the creation of Adam and Eve and the love of a husband and wife, or the love for their children.

7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai’s maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.

The phrase “the angel of the Lord” grabs my attention and to me, implies that this angel is special in some way. Why “THE” angel? Not “an” angel? Why is there this implication that it is not just a “random” angel of the Lord that came to Hagar, but the angel of the Lord? What does this mean? Does this angel have some sort of significance? There are indications of heirarchies within the angelic/heavenly realm, so does this angel hold a particular importance or certain leadership quality that others angels wouldn’t?
9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
This gives me an even deeper impression that this angel, for some reason, holds more weight than the others. Why would this angel specifically say, “I will multiply thy seed”? Wouldn’t that be something that the Lord would say? If the angel is speaking for the Lord, then the wording, I would think, would be more like, “The Lord will multiply thy seed”. Not I, as in the angel itself.
11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
Just a quick note, “Ishmael” means “God listens.” or “God will hear.” or similar variants to this.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
So why would this be? This sounds like more of a curse than a blessing. Is this “angel of the Lord” merely warning Hagar that this is how her son will be considered? Is it just what was in Ishmael’s destiny? There are theories that Ishmael’s descendants are known today as the Muslims, or Arabs, Arabian Muslims, with some history provided by Muhammad/Quran.
So another question I have is, if the angel never mentioned that Ishmael would grow up to be at odds with every man, would this prophecy still play out as told? Did the angel’s prophetic warning have anything to do with how Hagar raised Ishmael, with the expectation that he would be against others and others against him? Did the angel set the precedent with this foretelling?

13 And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
Hm… now I’m really confused. The angel of the Lord was speaking to Hagar… so why is this verse now considering him the Lord? And if this was the angel of the Lord, then surely the text would clearly imply again “the angel of the Lord”. Not “name of the Lord that spake unto her.” Unless it is indicating that by being addressed by this angel, she realizes that Thou God, meaning the angel’s God, and thus God Himself, has seen her in her distress and is appealing to her to return to Sarai even amidst all of the hostility. It still does not explain though why in this verse the angel is considered the Lord… Could “the angel of the Lord” be the Holy Spirit? Therefore indeed a significant part of God? Or perhaps as some theories speculate, could it be the Christ Consciousness before Jesus Christ was incarnate? Even so, the strange prediction that Ishmael will play a substantial role in his dealings with other mankind sets an interesting and perplexing anecdote, as if setting the stage for what is to come.
14 Wherefore the well was called Beerlahairoi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.
15 And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son’s name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
16 And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.

Throughout this chapter, I have to bring up again how interesting it is that the one message that Jesus Christ teaches, of Love to God and to each other, has not been mentioned yet. In fact, like I stated above, Love is not even a factor and has not been mentioned in Genesis yet, from Adam and Eve’s creation, to Abram’s timeline, 2,000 years since the beginning, according to the Bible. Has this concept, this feeling, not have even manifested yet? Are humans at this point of time just multiplying out of duty to keep one’s heritage/bloodline going? We can see how people have treated each other throughout all of this, with brother against brother, son against father, woman against woman due to pride, jealousy, envy, etc., etc., etc. I think Love will be a specific recurring topic that I will keep a very close eye on going forward.

 

As usual, I want to reiterate that some of my thoughts and theories may be way off base, and I also research some other things on the side as well to try and get a broader understanding of what I’m reading, so please bear with me, or, even better, if you have insights that bring more light to these verses, please let me know.

I enjoy bouncing off theories and theology off of each other and love to hear other people’s perspectives on things. Thank you for reading and I look forward to hearing from you!