Research Into the Jews / Talmud | Pt. 1

A (long) look into another’s religion.

I have never delved too deeply into the Jewish religion and the Talmud, but something compelled me to look into this religion a little more closely in order to try and better understand the world around us.

So far, from what I’ve seen, I feel like my whole world has been turned upside down because I didn’t realize A LOT of what this religion entails. And why it seems to be the main focal point for a lot of people – whether it’s animosity towards Jews, or animosity from [certain] Jews towards everyone else.

With that being said, I have no biased inclinations on this matter, and am looking at all of the information I come across in an objective manner. While yes, I am astounded at some of the facts I’ve come across, I also know that automatically entertaining knee-jerk reactions will not help anyone and instead causes further divide.

Therefore, this post will mostly be comprised of interesting tidbits/facts/information that I’ve come across that hopefully shed some important light on this topic. I can’t guarantee that there will be any semblance of organization in this post, because it will more than likely be me talking (writing?) out loud and trying to connect some of the pieces together.

I’ve decided to divide this into parts since it would be impossible for me to address everything into one single post. If you have further insights and knowledge/research/information on this topic, then I would love it if you’d share it with me. I always love hearing other’s perspectives on these subjects; it also helps gives me a broader understanding of other’s beliefs and cultures.

If you stick with this post, maybe you’ll find something new as well that you never knew before.

Both the Book of Revelations and the Talmud spoke of a week of tribulation – at least according to some Christian clergy and Rabbis…

“So the week of the Son, is an interesting concept. It’s one week of tribulations. What is interesting is the Book of Revelation has the same thing! One week of tribulation; each day another angel pours another cup of sorrow, of suffering, of disaster on the world! Same as in the Talmud. But! The Book of Revelation is at least 200 years before the Babylonian Talmud existed. Even before the Jerusalem Talmud came into being.” – @9:55 A Rabbi Shows Jesus in the Talmud | Messiah in the Talmud – Bava Batra | Joseph Shulam | Netivyah

“Prophecy of 70 Weeks (Daniel chapter 9) is a prophecy given to Daniel by the angel Gabriel in response to Daniel’s prayer for God to act on behalf of his people and city (i.e. Jerusalem). 70 weeks is weeks of years or 1 week of Daniel is = 7 years.” – Revelation 6 (The 7-Year Tribulation Period)

I want to point out, the gentleman in the video posted above, Joseph Shulam, admits that there was an interesting side to the Talmud that at one point changed the name of Yeshua (Jesus) to Yeshu-ah, which changed the original meaning of the text from “Yeshua ha Ben” (Yeshua [Jesus] is the Son) to a reinterpretation of it to mean “the salvation of the Son”. Which inevitably makes one wonder if this was a very deliberate intent to delegitimize Jesus Christ’s significance as the Savior.

So Joseph Shulam is acknowledging that this text is something he had never seen before and regards it with an important notice and that it is something that deserves more investigation. To read the transcript from the video, which definitely helped me with the unfamiliar words, please visit Bava Batra: A Surprising Look at the Messiah in the Talmud

Interestingly enough, he only encounters this passage after a man enters his office and asks him what these passages could mean; clearly confused and perhaps even distraught, since it is a teaching that apparently most Jews do not believe…

Confusion sets in: To believe in Jesus Christ, or not…

“The essential difference between Jews and Christians is that Christians accept Jesus as messiah and personal savior. Jesus is not part of Jewish theology. Amongst Jews, Jesus is not considered a divine being.” – What are the main differences between a Jew and a Christian?

“Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah are called Messianic Jews, or Jewish believers. But terminology can sometimes mislead. “I don’t like labels,” says Joan. “But know two things about me: I am a Jew, and I believe in Yeshua as the Messiah of Israel.” – A Leap to Faith: Judaism to Christianity

“Christians regard Jesus as their Messiah, and this belief is the foundation of their entire faith. For most Jews, however, Jesus is viewed as a historical figure in the tradition of teachers and prophets, but they do not believe he is the Chosen One, the Messiah sent to redeem mankind. Some Jews may even regard Jesus with enmity, seeing him as a false idol.” – Beliefs and Practices of Messianic Jews

“Most Messianic Jews are Jewish by heritage and generally think of themselves as Jews, even though they are not regarded as such by other Jews, or by the legal system in Israel. Messianic Jews see themselves as completed Jews since they have found their Messiah. Traditional Jews consider Messianic Jews to be Christians, however, and in Israel sporadic persecution of Messianic Jews has occurred.” – Beliefs and Practices of Messianic Jews

More of Joseph Shulam’s (a Messianic Jew) insights

Because I appreciated Joseph Shulam’s interesting outlook into the possible intention of changing the Talmudic text to better reflect the ideology of the Ultra-Orthodox Jew, I wanted to research a little further into his other findings.

Here are the following revelations, including how most traditional Jews view Christianity/Jesus Christ, as well as how a few very famous Rabbis chose to leave their high positions and follow Jesus Christ instead. Joseph also speculates that the first Rabbi he mentions, Rabbi Manahem, was largely omitted from the Talmud.

Joseph Shulam @15:49: “The popular idea of the Jewish people is that only idiots, ignorant Jews, uneducated Jews, secular Jews, become disciples of Jesus. That’s the common view of most of the Jews in the world even until this very day.

If you are a real, educated Jew and you knew the law of Moses and the Torah, you would never become a Christian. You would never accept Jesus as the Messiah. That’s the common view.”

@20:50 (from a slide presentation): “Rabbi, no matter how brilliant and of how high office he was, he chose to follow the Messiah rather than to keep his high office. Rabbi Manahem [Menahem] didn’t leave alone; his disciples went with him.”

Joseph Shulam @22:15: “Rabbi Eliezer was arrested for Minuth. Minuth means heresy. And in that time heresy is only one: following Jesus.”

@41:50 (from a slide presentation): “Elisha, son of Abuyah, born to a wealthy family from Jerusalem. He was one of the most important teachers (Sages) Mishnah. Rabbi Elisha is one of the most quoted Rabbis in the Mishnah. [snipped] It is precisely the importance of Rabbi Elisha ben Abuyah that makes this such an important story.”

Joseph Shulam @42:12: [explaining an ascension experience of Rabbi Elisha] “Elisha ben Abuyah comes down, and he, they change his name. They called him, he changed, he became different. “Acher” in Hebrew. He became acher. He changed. Whatever he saw in Heaven, he changed.

[snipped] “What happens when he comes out of that mystical experience? He no longer respects the rabbinical interpretations of the law. He gets on a horse, he rides a horse on Shabbat, he doesn’t observe the Sabbath limit that is rabbinical, essentially; and essentially, Elisha ben Abuyah becomes ameen. Becomes a disciple of Jesus.

What made – what did he see up there that made him become a disciple of Jesus? He saw a man sitting on the right hand of God. And before God, nobody sits; even the Archangels stand in the presence of God. But Elisha ben Abuyah saw a man sitting at the right hand of God. That convinced him to become a disciple of Jesus.”

Interviewer asks @49:27: “Do you have an opinion about what Paul meant in Romans 9 through 11, when he spoke about making my people, Jewish people, jealous?”

Joseph Shulam: “Yes. I have, not only opinion, I have experience of many years of what the Gentiles should do to make the Jewish people jealous. First of all, they should believe in God. More than we as Jews believe in God. Not in religion! Religion is the big – ALL religions, Judaism/Christianity/every religion in the world is the biggest enemy of faith. Religion has brought division and war and hatred to humanity.

Faith, love, hope – those are powers. Powers for life.

And Gentiles should show their love to the Jewish people. We have been, you know, more than a 1,000 years, a 1,000 and 400 years, and even a little more, receiving hate in the name of Jesus. Antisemitism in the name of Jesus. It came from Christians. Muslims were a lot more tolerant toward Judaism and to the Jews than Christians were.

I do agree that Love is the most important power/force in the universe. However, when people can’t tap into this emotion – either by choice or they have already tarnished their soul so much that only God/Jesus can save them, then the world will remain in an ever perpetual state of fear and chaos. While both sides – all sides – of every culture have had their disagreements, strife, animosity towards other groups, the unwillingness to move on from past (even current) hatred and tribulations keeps this cycle moving forward. We can’t fully address this until all sides (or maybe all it takes is for one side…) are willing to lay down this hate and forgive one another.

But that brings me up to another topic. Most of these “disagreements” and animosity, I believe, stem from the fact that one group doesn’t approve of the other group’s actions. Imagine a religion that establishes their rules that all other groups are unworthy, ignorant, no more than beasts created to serve them.

Does this sound loving? Does this sound like a religion that is not infringing upon other’s lives while proclaiming themselves the only group worth living on the planet? Could this be the reason of so much animosity – from every side? That’s not to say that all Jews believe this, of course. But the texts and quotes below are taken from the Talmud and several advocates – and also those who are opposed to this ideology – and shows a very dark, disturbing outlook of how some Jews view Gentiles…

Various quotes from different Jews/Rabbis & excerpts taken from the Talmud:

NOTE: I do not endorse or promote the antisemitism of the video. I just use this video as a reference. I have verified a few of the quotes as legitimate but did not verify every single one. Also please keep in mind that deception may still be possible in framing others for saying something that they didn’t really say.

Source: odysee | @JohnTheConfederate | Jewish Quotes about the GOYIM

Israel Shahak @3:00: “An Orthodox Jew learns from his earliest youth, as part of his sacred studies, that Gentiles are compared to dogs, that it is a sin to praise them. Institutionally, The Book of Education, written in the 14th century, is currently a popular book for Israeli school children, its publication subsidized by the government. Its texts includes material such as ‘The Jewish people are the best of the human species … and worthy to have slaves to serve them. We are commanded to possess them for our service.’

For further context, please visit: Israel Shahak: The Jewish Professor Who Warned the World Against Jews

Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira @11:00: “It is permissible to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation. If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments – because we care about the commandments – there is nothing wrong with the murder.

There is a reason to kill babies on the enemy side even if they have not transgressed the seven Noahide Laws because of the future danger they may present, since it is assumed that they will grow up to be evil like their parents. They can be killed indirectly to put pressure on enemy leaders, or if they are “in the way.”

For further context, please visit: Ultra-Zionist Settler Rabbi Publishes Controversial Book

Rabbi Manis Friedman @18:20: “The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women, children and cattle.”

For further context, please visit: Ask the Rabbis // How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?

I want to mention, reading through the responses of the “How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors” article was actually really touching and brought tears to my eyes. Aside from, of course, the response above.

(The below phrases from the Talmud are just a small few that I have personally verified – although the context could be debated. I want to point out that some of the other phrases that the source quotes I could not find in reference to its sayings.)

“It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile”. — Talmud: Sepher ikkarim III c 25.

“If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there”. — Talmud: Moed Kattan 17a.

Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.” — Talmud: Gittin 57a

– SOURCE: TALMUD QUOTES RELATED TO HATE AND SUPERIORITY OVER AND INEQUALITY VERSUS NON-JEWS

Again, I want to mention the subtle, seemingly mishandling or mistranslation of certain terminology to fit a certain narrative or ideology.

When researching the line of the Talmud: Gittin 57a of Jesus being boiled in hot excrement, there are interesting disagreements on how this verse should be handled.

For instance, some Jews refer to Balaam and Jesus as the same person. However, in Gittin 57a, there is a very obvious distinction that these two individuals are separate, as is related by the Gemara. And there are still debates amongst the Jews and scholars of this passage. In addition, some people have confusion about the passage that states: Jesus of Nazarene (from the Sefaria website), as in many manuscripts the word Nazarene doesn’t seem to appear. Yet, in at least one manuscript, it seems to show this word: [I do not read Hebrew, so cannot verify this]

“I can’t tell you for sure where Koren (whence Sefaria) sourced its inclusion of “the Nazarene”, but I can say that it is included in at least one manuscript of this passage. Namely, in the manuscript titled Vatican 130, we see:

אזל אסקיה לישו הנוצרי בנגידא

You can see a picture of the manuscript on Hachi Garsinan, part of the Friedberg Jewish Manuscript Society. I’ve reproduced the relevant part of the manuscript here:

picture of manuscript Vatican 130 with text הנוצרי

 

– Source: Where does Sefaria get “Nazarene” from in the Talmud in Gittin 57a?

I also want to point out that some Jews regard the story about Onkelos/Jesus as just that; a story. Whether certain Jews actually believe that Jesus is boiling in hot excrement is up to their own interpretation.

So we can see how the Jews, at least from the Talmud, regards the Gentiles (meaning everyone who is not a Jew), and how they regard Jesus Christ. Again, this is not to imply that every Jew thinks this way. Some may regard Jesus Christ as just a man and don’t harbor such harsh hostility towards everyone else; and some, like Joseph Shulam, are Messianic Jews and do believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of mankind. However, I am inclined to believe that there are indeed some Jews that still hold such hatred and animosity towards others who are not included in their group.

Of course, the same could be said by any group. Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Pagans, Atheists… the list goes on and on. So to automatically deride one group for the actions of a few is an ongoing battle (sadly, literally) and the tolerance we have for each other is few and far between.

I think, though, that what largely separates the Jewish community (again, not all of them) is the lengths that this group goes to in order to claim their ownership and their believed birthright as the Chosen People.

A Jew Exposes The Jewish World Conspiracy

Just a cursory glance at this exposé reveals an incredible and almost unbelievable agenda of a small, yet extremely wealthy and powerful group of people who are hell-bent on asserting their control over the world.

A Jew Exposes The Jewish World Conspiracy (1946 by Henry H. Klein)

In this brief but surprisingly informative write-up, Henry H. Klein goes into detail uncovering the takeover of a Jewish force onto the rest of the population, even at the detriment of their own people.

I have chosen a few excerpts just for reference; keep in mind, Henry H. Klein wrote this exposé in 1946… :

Why is a knowledge of the contents of the Protocols important now?

Because they outline a detailed plan for the destruction of the Christian world and for its conquest and control by a handful of Jews known as the Sanhedrin, and because most of it has already been accomplished.

– Source: A Jew Exposes The Jewish World Conspiracy (pg.4)

We must keep anti-semitism alive, say the Protocols, even though we sacrifice some of our own people.

– Source: A Jew Exposes the Jewish World Conspiracy (pg.8)

The Sanhedrin controls all sources of information in the United States.

They control newspapers, magazines, movies and radio broadcasting. They control banks and book publishers. They control politics and politicians. They control public officials and the courts. They control public opinion through the flood of lying propaganda which they let loose on the people during the past thirty odd years and which newspapers must print and radio commentators must blare.

– Source: A Jew Exposes the Jewish World Conspiracy (pg.12)

The Protocols is, in effect, a fulfillment of the Talmud. The Talmud causes Jews to hate Christians and the Protocols outline a program for the destruction of the Christian world. Jesus fought the rabbis and the Sanhedrin in His day and we must fight them now. They are inimical to the Jew and a menace to the people generally.

– Source: A Jew Exposes the Jewish World Conspiracy (pg.12)

Now, Henry H. Klein does mention the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, several times, and it goes without saying that this text has been heatedly debated as being a fraudulent creation for the sole purpose of attacking the Jewish community.

Full text of “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”

However, the passages from the Protocols closely resembles the sentimentality that the Talmud does, especially in regards to the Goyim and the Jews own personal stance as the rightful heirs of the entire world and the power they plan to employ to get there. So to keep denying that the Protocols could possibly be a real legitimate guidebook is turning a blind eye to the actuality of the situation, and the sombering awareness that what has been stated in that text has largely become a reality.

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

This is the elephant in the room. And as some people have found out, even Jews cannot criticize other Jews about this reality. Yet the fallback for anyone even slightly questioning any of these agendas is met with automatic hostility and blindly calling them “antisemitic”. Even if they’re a Jew! The same as how anyone questioning current narratives is labeled as a conspiracy theorist.

But Wilson was not deterred. She responded with a series of tweets:

1) First of all, calm down. Re-tweets don’t imply endorsement. Yes, very provocative, but thoughtful. Many neocon hawks ARE Jewish.

2) Just FYI, I am of Jewish decent. I am not in favor of war with Iran, or getting out of the Iran nuclear treaty. There are simply

3) too many who are so ready to go to war. Haven’t we had enough for a while?

4) Read the entire article and try, just for a moment, to

put aside your biases and think clearly.

– Source: American Jews Are Starting Wars, Jewish Former CIA Spy Valerie Plame Wilson Retweets

I believe in Jesus Christ. I’m not a Christian, per se, but if I were to be labelled anything, it would be a Christian. Yet there are times when I criticize Christians and question certain belief systems, but THAT DOESN’T MAKE ME ANTI-CHRISTIAN.

The same goes for anyone questioning Jews and their belief systems. THAT DOESN’T MAKE THEM ANTISEMITIC.

The same goes for anyone questioning the ridiculous mandates that don’t make any sense and that causes more harm than good. THAT DOESN’T MAKE THEM CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.

We need to step away from this toxic paradigm of labeling anything that doesn’t agree with us as anti-whatever or a “crazy conspiracy nut”. If most of us just look at the information available, and we approach it with an open-mind and not out of defensive bias, we may be able to learn that we are endorsing the wrong side.

I am going to end this post on that note, and again, since this topic is so huge, it is impossible for me to cover it all in one post. There is just simply too much information and research to delve into.

I encourage everyone to do their own research as well and even step outside of their own belief structure to at least try to understand other’s culture. Our hesitance at even looking at other religions and/or entertaining the idea that there very well may be a world wide dictatorship in the works is going to leave us blind-sided and at the mercy of those vouching for control. We need to learn to admit when things have gotten out of hand and that these “conspiracy theories” may not be theories, after all.

Fact checking is extremely important. I want to reiterate not to take everything at face value; no matter what you read, where you read it from, or who you hear it from. And to be clear, do not rely on “fact checking” websites to give you accurate information either. These are just as likely, (if not even more likely…), to feed false information and false debunking accounts to manipulate the reader. Please take everything into consideration before adhering to a certain narrative – and always keep your mind open to other possibilities.

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Genesis 15: God’s Covenant with Abram

Earnest Examination

This series is presented as an honest, sincere look into the study of the Bible with my own personal theories, opinions, comments and that of others’ insights and research into what the verses could mean. I cannot claim one way or another that everything that I am stating is fact and the true meaning of what is meant in these verses.

To lay it out in a way that I can manage, I have highlighted the texts of verses that I either don’t understand or have a comment or question about in yellow. And the comments I’ve left beneath it will be of a smaller font and using brown text.

I would love it if you’d join me in this journey and if you have any insights and/or knowledge of these chapters/verses etc., please feel free to share with me and the other readers. Any chance to get a clearer understanding of the Bible and Jesus Christ would be welcomed with open arms.

Version used is from (KJV) Genesis 15

1 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”
I want to point out the small phrase, “in a vision”. What does this mean, exactly? “In a vision” doesn’t necessarily imply “in a dream”. Was Abram fully awake during this vision? Was he daydreaming? Prophesying? Actually dreaming? Was it a vision in a dream? And how did Abram know that this vision was from the Lord? Did he test this vision? Or just accept it as coming from the Lord? I only pursue this question because we are always told to test spirits, test visions, discern… so that we may not be led astray. Am I implying that Abram possibly was seeing visions from a different entity? Well, I’m not exactly implying anything, but I am attempting to shed light on this matter that to be discerning means to question and search for the Truth, however uncomfortable it may be. And it is my effort to find out if Abram KNEW, from every fiber of his being, if this vision truly came from God or was he being deceived.
2 But Abram said, “Lord God, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”
…I also wonder about bloodlines, which is clearly what is meant in this verse. Abram is concerned about preserving his bloodline… although, if we take the creation account to heart, then we are all born of Adam and Eve – again, if there’s nothing more to this account – and so the specific pursuit to carry on one’s own bloodline is a fascinating subject to me. Even back then there was so much separation and animosity, quite possibly due to the separation at the Tower of Babel (although even within Cain and Abel’s own family there was already strife and conflict) created families who considered themselves separate from everyone else. It’s interesting and makes me wonder if there’s something more to this history than what most of us were/are led to believe.
3 Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!”
How important is “blood”? Is it about the blood? The DNA? The questions I’m wondering is, why was Abram chosen to be the “people of God”? I haven’t been able to study the Talmud, the Q’uran, Kabbalah, Testament of Abraham, the Ugaritic texts, etc. and it is something that I definitely want to look into in order to get a broader picture of who Abraham is and his descendants. Since Abraham is widely believed to be the line of the C”hosen Ones”, I feel it’s important to find out how, why, for what purpose, etc., etc.
According to this verse, no other bloodline is going to cut it. His adopted son does not suffice. So why is Abraham’s line so important? Why was he chosen?

4 And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.”
5 Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”
6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
7 Then He said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”
8 And he said, “Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?”

This is interesting as well, because while the Lord God promised Abram the whole world, basically, Jesus Christ’s teachings is to “come out of this world” and inherit the kingdom of God (Heaven). So I find the stark contrast between these two teachings as very intriguing and worth further consideration.
9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.”
10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two.

These verses confuse me even more. So the Lord God told Abram to bring Him all of these animals, with no further context to it, but then in the very next verse Abram takes it upon himself to cut them in half and place each piece opposite the other. …Am I missing something here? Is this some kind of ritualistic sacrifice? How does Abram come to the conclusion that this is the act that he must do when God told him to bring those animals to Him? Is it the act of bringing death upon the animals is symbolic of bringing the animals to God? And even if so, why do it in such a specific manner as to cut them in half? And why not the birds? Do these questions get answered in other texts or further verses/chapters of the Bible? This just seems very strange to me and screams of ritualistic sacrifice. Perhaps akin to witchcraft.
Is that blasphemous? Or am I just stating a well-earned speculation that Abram’s actions may be paganistic? It is not my intention to condemn or blaspheme the word of God, but only to raise much needed questions and consideration of the texts and belief structures that it proposes. I am a believer in God and Jesus Christ, and the pursuit of Truth. “Truth” does not mean to blindly listen to certain texts/words/teachings of others, but to sincerely study and learn our surroundings and pray for insight so that we may not be led astray. That is what I am attempting to do.

11 And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.
12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him.
…Hm… this lends further credence that the act that Abram performed may have been ritualistic in nature. What is this “horror and great darkness” that fell upon him? Demonic, perhaps?
Not to mention, in some other translations of this verse, they don’t say “a deep sleep” fell upon Abram:

“12 And when the sun was gone down, dread felled on Abram, and a great hideousness and dark assailed him. (And as the sun went down, fear fell upon Abram, and a great dark hideousness assailed him.)”Wycliffe Bible

Sometimes I refer back to the Wycliffe version, since it seems to be the earliest English translation there is, and in his version it does not say that Abram fell into a deep sleep, but rather that dread and fear fell upon him. And the term “assail”, at least in today’s time, implies that he was attacked by this “great dark hideousness”.
13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years.
14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions.

So I’m trying to understand the transition of these past few verses. I can infer a few speculations (but I suppose ‘speculations’ they will remain):

1. The horror and great darkness that befell Abram was the entity that has been speaking to Abram as the word of the Lord. Assailing Abram with his power? His authority? Physically assaulting Abram? Maybe… spiritually?
2. The horror and great darkness was an inclination, a gut feeling, that something bad will happen – follow that up with the Lord saying that his descendants will be in trouble for a few years may have given him this fear/dread. Certainly very likely. Although it doesn’t seem to explain the term “assailed” that was originally used as the translation.
3. Perhaps because of the Lord gifting Abram and his descendants with the land and various possessions, it made the dark entities jealous and wrathful – therefore the darkness is the acknowledgement that Abram’s descendants will go through some hardships in order to rise above these dark entities and inherit the land.

Now, this brings me again to the land and the possessions. I can’t help but keep going back to Jesus Christ’s teachings that worldly possessions mean NOTHING in the eyes of the Lord. In fact, he teaches that those who have riches and wealth and all these possessions are on the WRONG PATH to Heaven. Yet in these biblical teachings, Abram has been chosen to inherit the land and the riches in them. …Am I the only one who doesn’t quite understand this dichotomy? But then I am also reminded of the verse in Matthew 5 where it says that the meek shall inherit the Earth. So here we have Abram and his descendants, being promised inherited land and wealth/possessions, and then here’s Jesus saying that the meek will inherit the land. Are Abram and his descendants meek? Did Jesus offer up sacrifices to God to earn His good graces? Am I speaking out of turn and just not understanding the symbolic or universal workings of the world?

15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.
More interesting implications here, that seem to point to Abram performing a ritualistic spell and/or sacrifice. I know I may get pushback against this speculation, but again, it is NOT to offend anyone. It is only to offer up what an honest look into these verses may provoke in someone who hasn’t studied the Bible and other texts extensively and who is on a sincere path to understanding the Bible and its teachings. From an unbiased and subjective look into these verses, it seems as if Abram is performing witchcraft. Perhaps that is just how people worshipped back in those days, and I can somewhat understand that. And perhaps that is why Jesus Christ came to begin with, to show us that we no longer (or have ever) need to perform these rituals and instead look to being kind and loving to one another and believe in Him to have everlasting life. Of course, that doesn’t explain why this Lord at this time asked to have certain animals brought to him, and doesn’t explain how Abram knew how to set up this altar of sorts.
And speaking of this altar, where did this “smoking oven” and the “burning torch” come from? And it just so happened to ceremoniously pass in between the cut pieces of the animals… It seems quite obvious that this was on purpose and that Abram knew to do this. But how? Who taught him to offer up these animals to the Lord in this manner? And what is the smoking oven that just allegedly appeared out of nowhere? It does not do my peace of mind well to make this connection to Moloch, a terrible deity who is often portrayed as having a furnace or oven for a stomach in which to throw sacrifices into – sacrifices that tragically included (includes?) babies/children. Take another translation from Wycliffe, for example:


“17 Therefore when the sun was gone down, a dark mist was made, and a furnace smoking appeared, and a lamp of fire, and (it) passed through those partings. (And when the sun had gone down, a dark mist came, and a smoking furnace appeared, and a lamp of fire which passed between the pieces of the animals.)”

This is extremely suspicious to me. And I feel rather at odds because as far as I’ve researched, I have not come across a lot of sources making this connection. Am I completely in the wrong here? Why am I having this red flag when it comes to this sacrificial act and the “dark mist” and oven/furnace that just so happened to appear (manifest?) out of nowhere to “pass (collect?)” these sacrifices? I am actually quite perplexed that I don’t see many references to this as even being a possibility. I can’t be the only one who finds these texts suspicious…
18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—
19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites,
20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim,
21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

I know sometimes it would seem as if I’m questioning the veracity of the Bible’s origins, and while that may be true in some sense, it is not meant to presume, condemn, or ridicule, and certainly not meant to certify the propositions I set forth. And I definitely don’t mean to insult or offend anyone, especially not God. It is only to get a clearer understanding of the meanings of the Bible, and the possibility that during so many transitions and translation efforts, and perhaps intentional/unintentional mishandling and misinterpretations, that the Truth along the way may have been concealed more than we’d like.

And as usual, I want to reiterate that some of my thoughts and theories may be way off base, and I also research some other things on the side as well to try and get a broader understanding of what I’m reading, so please bear with me, or, even better, if you have insights that bring more light to these verses, please let me know.

I enjoy bouncing off theories and theology off of each other and love to hear other people’s perspectives on things. Thank you for reading and I look forward to hearing from you!

Fact checking is extremely important. I want to reiterate not to take everything at face value; no matter what you read, where you read it from, or who you hear it from. And to be clear, do not rely on “fact checking” websites to give you accurate information either. These are just as likely, (if not even more likely…), to feed false information and false debunking accounts to manipulate the reader. Please take everything into consideration before adhering to a certain narrative – and always keep your mind open to other possibilities.

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Genesis 13: Abram Inherits Canaan

Earnest Examination

This series is presented as an honest, sincere look into the study of the Bible with my own personal theories, opinions, comments and that of others’ insights and research into what the verses could mean. I cannot claim one way or another that everything that I am stating is fact and the true meaning of what is meant in these verses.

To lay it out in a way that I can manage, I have highlighted the texts of verses that I either don’t understand or have a comment or question about in yellow. And the comments I’ve left beneath it will be of a smaller font and using brown text.

I would love it if you’d join me in this journey and if you have any insights and/or knowledge of these chapters/verses etc., please feel free to share with me and the other readers. Any chance to get a clearer understanding of the Bible and Jesus Christ would be welcomed with open arms.

Version used is from (NKJV) Genesis 13

Abram Inherits Canaan

1 And Abram went up out of Egypt, he, and his wife, and all that he had, and Lot with him, into the south.
2 And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold.

I find it very interesting that the first two verses in this chapter seems to focus on the material wealth that Abram has. Almost as if that’s what matters… Of course, through Jesus’ teachings, this is far from the truth, but even previous chapters dwell quite a bit on the corporeal and amassing great amount of possessions and properties… it just seems very odd that this would be of such importance. Not to mention the previous chapter of Abram lying about his wife, and the punishment still goes to the one who was not aware of this lie. Perhaps I’m overthinking this strange dichotomy, or I simply don’t understand the sovereignty and plans of the All Mighty. But it is something I bring up because of my confusion to this matter.
3 And he went on his journeys from the south even to Bethel, unto the place where his tent had been at the beginning, between Bethel and Hai;
4 Unto the place of the altar, which he had made there at the first: and there Abram called on the name of the LORD.
Again, I don’t want to make assumptions, but I do have my own beliefs. Whether they’re correct or wrong. And I feel almost sanctimonious by stating them, and again, I don’t want to come across as presumptuous or blasphemous, but it is just another topic that I don’t quite understand. My belief, is that God is Love, and He knows what’s in our hearts. That’s the ONLY thing that matters. So for the Lord to be pleased with an altar or anything of the like, seems to be more concentrated on physical structures and outward display of devotion than what a person truly feels inside.
However, with Abram’s sincere devotion, perhaps it is his way of showing his reverence, and it has nothing to do with the physical construct of the altar or anything that Abram chooses to sacrifice upon it, but more about his supreme trust and faith in the Lord. The “altar” just signifies it, perhaps. And this is what the Lord is pleased with. If Abram is true and genuine in his heart, then the act of building the altar is to just outwardly show this dedication, similar to how an artist would like to do a painting or sculpture of someone or something that they love.
But then, there’s the other reason for someone to build an altar, and it comes back to the sacrifice aspect of things. I’ve already mentioned before how strange it seems for the Lord to be “pleased with the aroma of burning sacrifices”, and it automatically conjures sinister and macabre actions in my mind. And again I have to ask, why would a spiritual, divine entity be so delighted with this type of practice?

5 And Lot also, which went with Abram, had flocks, and herds, and tents.
6 And the land was not able to bear them, that they might dwell together: for their substance was great, so that they could not dwell together.
This verse again mentions the extreme amount of wealth that not only Abram has, but also Lot. And when we take into account how many times the Lord has promised to bless Abram and that he will have a whole nation unto his own, well, his material possessions will just keep growing it seems.
7 And there was a strife between the herdmen of Abram’s cattle and the herdmen of Lot’s cattle: and the Canaanite and the Perizzite dwelled then in the land.
I also want to point out how interesting it is that between the generation of Noah and his family, which supposedly spawned the rest of humanity as we know it, and the age of Abram and Lot, there were around 10 generations between the two groups. Meaning that technically, the Canaanites and the Perizzite’s are both descendants of Noah. And Abram and Lot were as well. Of course, due to the Fall of the Tower of Babel, these descendants were then spread out and became unknown to each other and built their own customs and traditions, thus perhaps creating hostility and mistrust between other groups.
In the case of Abram’s herdmen and Lot’s herdmen, it could be due to the sheer amount of possessions that each group had and the disagreements on how to rear the cattle and where to raise them. But it’s interesting that between just 10 generations there could be so much animosity and suspicion developing between all these different groups.

8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.
We’re ALL brethren, but I digress…
9 Is not the whole land before thee? separate thyself, I pray thee, from me: if thou wilt take the left hand, then I will go to the right; or if thou depart to the right hand, then I will go to the left.
10 And Lot lifted up his eyes, and beheld all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered every where, before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, even as the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, as thou comest unto Zoar.
11 Then Lot chose him all the plain of Jordan; and Lot journeyed east: and they separated themselves the one from the other.
12 Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent toward Sodom.
13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.

Even though the details haven’t been expanded upon yet, I’ve read before that Canaan was also extremely wicked, but perhaps not during this timeframe? While this verse focuses on Sodom being exceedingly wicked, it does not mention Canaan eventually becoming wicked as well. There’s much more I can say about this topic, but since it has not been covered yet, I will wait until the appropriate chapter.
14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

I didn’t want to make this connection, but… this sounds eerily similar to this verse: “Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”Matthew 4:8-9

Am I insinuating a correlation between the LORD who spoke to Abram offering him all the land of the world, to that of the devil who was trying to tempt Jesus with all the kingdoms of the world?…
I’m saying, there’s an uncanny precedence and curious resemblance between these two verses. Regardless of the real meaning and/or if they have absolutely no bearing with each other, the similarities exist.
Now, can I say that without offending God/Jesus Christ? Well, yes, I daresay I can because I believe in Him and I know that He knows that I love Him and my intentions are pure and not born out of spite or rebelliousness. On the other hand, can I say the same thing without offending some people? …Probably not. But this connection is not to stir up trouble or spite, but only to show what a sincere study into the Bible can reveal without any preconceived notions or being led to a particular conclusion.

16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.
17 Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.
18 Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD.

I brought up some tough questions/correlations because I feel that to get to the truth of the Bible, one can’t simply read it without inquiring as to the purpose of these verses and their meaning. Although the questions may seem as if it’s coming from a skeptical point of view, it is most definitely not the case and instead comes from a very honest pursuit to finding the significance and message of what it may be sending.

And as usual, I want to reiterate that some of my thoughts and theories may be way off base, and I also research some other things on the side as well to try and get a broader understanding of what I’m reading, so please bear with me, or, even better, if you have insights that bring more light to these verses, please let me know.

I enjoy bouncing off theories and theology off of each other and love to hear other people’s perspectives on things. Thank you for reading and I look forward to hearing from you!

Fact checking is extremely important. I want to reiterate not to take everything at face value; no matter what you read, where you read it from, or who you hear it from. And to be clear, do not rely on “fact checking” websites to give you accurate information either. These are just as likely, (if not even more likely…), to feed false information and false debunking accounts to manipulate the reader. Please take everything into consideration before adhering to a certain narrative – and always keep your mind open to other possibilities.

Fair use disclaimer: Some of the links from this article are provided from different sources/sites to give the reader extra information and cite the sources, but does not necessarily mean that I endorse the contents of the site itself. Additionally, I have tried to provide links to the contents that I used from other sites as an educational and/or entertainment means only; if you feel that any information deserves further citation or request to be clarified, please let me know through the contact page.

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