BREAKING: Attorney Thomas Renz reveals DoD data proving covid vaccines WORSEN infections and hospitalizations

“60% of hospitalized cases are breakthroughs”

As more and more information comes out, even from the CDC, WHO, FDA, etc.’s own admission, it is getting harder and harder to refute the fact that the COVID vaccines are absolutely unnecessary and are, in fact, even more dangerous than “COVID” itself. There is no justifiable reason to continue this egregious mandatory farce, and those who keep endorsing this obvious malfeasance should absolutely be held complicit in these crimes.

The following interview expands upon the DoD documents which shows a trend that is now becoming common place (although HIGHLY condemned as “misinformation” at the beginning – though it is to be said, big tech and mainstream media is STILL labeling even information from the government and health agencies’ own websites as “misinformation”…) that shows that individuals who are fully vaccinated are more at risk for a “breakthrough infection”.

And keep in mind, as more data is coming out, showing that the COVID situation may have been pneumonia/flu, HCAP (healthcare associated pneumonia) all along (perhaps even brought about due to an organized experimental campaign) , disguised as a “new virus”, the vaccines themselves, therefore, are causing these legitimate various illnesses and diseases amongst those who have taken it.

The below video is a full transcript of the interview between Attorney Thomas Renz and Mike Adams discussing the DoD/Humetrix documents that was revealed to Attorney Renz through a whistleblower account. Some embellishment has been added for emphasis.

Mike Adams: “Welcome to brighteon.tv. Mike Adams here. Today we’re going to be joined by attorney Thomas Renz from Renz Law.

He has breaking news about new aggregate data that was compiled by a branch, an artificial intelligence branch of the Department of Defense. It’s called the JAIC. It’s called Project Salus. And the aggregate data was brought in about 5.6 million medicare patients from a company called Humetrix, which runs the data analytics platform for medicare outcomes.

Now, this is bombshell information that obliterates the official narrative of Biden and Fauci, which falsely claims that we’re experiencing a pandemic of the “unvaccinated”. These data that you are about to see, we’re going to show you the slides, courtesy of Attorney Thomas Renz. These data blow that away. So stay with us, we’ll be right back with Thomas Renz. This is brighteon.tv.

All right, welcome back. Mike Adams here, thank you for joining me. We’re going to welcome Attorney Thomas Renz right now to the program.

Thomas, how are you doing today, sir? It’s great to have you on.”

Thomas Renz: “I’m – you know, I’m doing great, Mike. I really appreciate it. 

Mike Adams: “Well, absolutely. Now, you have this bombshell document from the Department of Defense; I gave a little bit of an intro there, but you want to go ahead and tell us the big picture of what we’re looking at?

Thomas Renz: “Yeah, so, in my whistleblower stuff that we’ve been talking about a lot lately – we say that the fact that in the prior FDA presentation, they had said that, you know, they were going to monitor CMS for outcomes and for vaccine safety and things like that. Well, it turns out that that is correct, apparently. That is exactly what we did. They’ve monitored CMS.

So using that same CMS data that we’ve just broke a whole bunch of information on, the Department of Defense, through Humetrix, put out something on the 28th of September. At least, that’s the date on the front of this, talking about these vaccines. There’s just an immense amount of stuff in here, talking about how their effectiveness wanes over time. But probably the biggest and most important thing in here is this, and I’m going to read this, it’s a direct quote: “60% of hospitalized cases are breakthroughs” after the delta variant hit 90%, right? “71% of COVID cases are breakthroughs”, and then we get delta at 90%.”

Mike Adams: “And just, let me just, for the audience, “breakthrough” means someone was previously fully vaccinated, and essentially breakthrough means vaccine failure. That they were infected anyway.”

Thomas Renz: “Yeah, yeah. So when Biden and his crew are telling us that this is a problem with the unvaccinated, why are 60% of the break- of the hospitalized people who are fully vaccinated? 60% are FULLY VACCINATED, in the hospitals. 

Now by the way, Mike, so within this document, it also makes really clear: until you are 14 days post full vaccination, you’re not counted. So what that means for the audience is, that if you got Pfizer or Moderna, you had to have both shots, if you had Janssen you only had to have the one, and then 14 days later. So if you only got one shot and got sick or got hospitalized, it doesn’t count. If you’ve had, you know, both shots but got sick within 14 days it doesn’t count. So still, despite all of that, we’re looking at a 60% hospitalization – 60% of the hospitalized cases. 60%!”

Mike Adams: “So… looking at slide 2, from this 17 slide set, I also want to bring attention to the summary, just to underscore what you just said, it outlines that the effectiveness of vaccines wanes over time. All the way out to 6 months, where a person who was previously vaccinated has a 2.5 times higher odds, they say – they use the word ‘odds’ – 2.5 times odds factor increase of being infected or hospitalized with COVID. So the vaccine actually makes outcomes worse over time.

And then the other bombshell from this, I think, though there are many, as you said, but one of them is that for, for those who are unvaccinated, their risk of infection and hospitalization is falling over time. Compared – even as delta is rising, the risk of unvaccinated people getting sick is falling, falling, falling, falling. So… wow! I mean, if these continue, look where it’s going.”

Thomas Renz: “Yeah, well, I mean, so if you look also on that second page, we got a couple of other really important things to look at there, right? So this statement, “Prior COVID-19 infection has a major protective effect” – MAJOR protective effect. That’s because as we all know, there is no stronger immunity than natural immunity. So once you’ve survived this, you’re golden. 

The other thing is, is it’s kind of interesting, because, you know, this really, I think, is very demonstrative. And we don’t have all their data. But based on what I’m seeing, this is really showing the ADE, right? This is showing that, or at least providing indication based on the overall analysis of this, that the people who are getting the vaccine, you know, instead of this disease getting less dangerous and more contagious, as usual, for some people, particularly it looks like the people who have gotten it, it looks like it’s getting more dangerous.

And I mean, you know typically when this started out according to the curve and what they’re saying, you know, you had a really high death and hospitalization rate when COVID first came out. And then typically that drops off with any disease. Now, you’re seeing it really bumping back up. And there should – and it’s really a, you know, it looks very much like what we were all afraid of – that we’d have a massive ADE type situation going on this fall, where we had a stronger, more dangerous variant, especially for the people who went out and got the shot.”

Mike Adams: “Yeah, that – that’s exactly right. And by the way, I want to mention, it was slide 15 that I think you were referring to earlier; I’m looking at it now. It says 71% of COVID-19 cases are breakthroughs, in weeks after the delta variant became more than 90% of the detected variant. So, that’s critical to the record, guys, and we’re talking almost three-fourths of the hospitalizations are people who were vaccinated.”

Mike Adams (continued): “But there’s something else here, Thomas. The very last slide, this is another bombshell: the risk model for breakthrough hospitalization, in this slide, it talks about how Native Americans have the highest increase risk of hospitalization after vaccination, of any ethnic group. And then Hispanic is underneath that, and Black-Americans are further down the list, but think about it. You know, this is hitting Native Americans more than any other group, and yet nobody is warning the Native American community about what is effectively ADE from vaccines.”

Thomas Renz: “Well, and yeah, and I mean, so listen. These vaccines seem to have a disproportionate impact on certain minority communities. Now that’s not something that I’ve really been able to flesh out in a way where I can say, “Listen, we know this for sure.” And I haven’t got the experts, and I – you know I am, I don’t say it unless I can prove it. But I have heard numerous, numerous reports about the dangers these vaccines pose to the minority communities especially. It has to do with certain genetic differences – um, you know, I just don’t have, I don’t have enough to really go on record and say it for sure, but it sure does look like that.

But, luckily for us, I also just got a report, that in New York City, you know, one of the most vaccinated places in the universe, only 26% of African-Americans are vaccinated. If that’s true, good! Good! I said yesterday in an interview, I said, there’s not a whole lot of times in my life where Louis Farrakhan and I have been on the same page, but when it comes to this vaccine, we’re dead on there. So – “

Mike Adams: “Well yeah, exactly right. Louis Farrakhan, I also agree with his point on this particular issue. He’s absolutely correct. And he, among many people in different sectors of Black communities across America, he is nation of Islam, but there are many other different groups of course, they are recognizing that this appears to be a, in their view, a biological weapon targeting Blacks and Hispanics and basically people of dark skin. Now, from a medical science point of view, though, dark skin also blocks vitamin D production upon exposure to sunlight. So this could also be a vitamin D deficiency colliding with vaccine mortality or ADE problems. Perhaps vitamin D deficiency causes an exaggeration of ADE, but that’s just conjecture at this point. As you said, we don’t have supporting data, but it’s a plausible theory.

Thomas Renz: “Yeah, yeah. I would agree with you. And like I said, there’s just been something that’s been kind of very quietly kicked around amongst experts, and we just haven’t had anyone that’s done the proper studies to know. But you know, if I were, if I were a person of color, I would certainly want to know, you know, where are these studies? Why aren’t we looking at these numbers? You know? Where are they? So I’m hoping they come out.

But I mean, regardless of what they do, and regardless of ethnic issues, 60%. 60%. I mean, what more can you say? And, and – I mean, this is a disastrous number, and it’s an outright lie. This is from a weekly report, right. This is a weekly report. So just as we said last week on our whistleblower presentation, you know, this is something that they’re supposed to be getting briefed on regularly, which it appears that they are.

Biden, Fauci, all these guys – I mean you can see where they talk about they reference the CDC and different things, you know, graphs from CDC presentation, things like that throughout this. There is zero question these guys know this. They’re lying to the American people outright. This is a crooked marketing project for big pharma, big tech, big government, at the expense of American lives, and it’s got to stop.

This is it. This is smoking gun. You know, we had – we had the whistleblower stuff that’s on renz-law.com. You can look at that. This presentation’s going to be up there. How much evidence do we need to put out before someone’s held accountable for this?”

Mike Adams: “Well, that’s my next question to you. Would you support a call for the FDA withdrawing it’s emergency use authorization or so-called approval of these vaccines, based on these new data from the DoD’s artificial intelligence project? I mean, is this, you said it’s a smoking gun. Is it enough in your view to say, we’ve got to halt all the vaccines?”

Thomas Renz: “I don’t think there’s any question it’s enough. This is illegal from the start. From the start under the EUA rules, and the – actually the law for an EUA, there has to be a risk benefit analysis. Well, there was never – I mean, 1% absolute risk reduction was never enough to warrant authorizing something that had no long-term studies. Now, we not only have a 1% absolute risk reduction, but we have a very clear case of an increased danger.

I mean, go get the vaccine. You can get COVID again. Congratulations. You know. If you survive it, then you know, you’ll probably have stronger immunity, assuming that the vaccine hasn’t destroyed your immune system. You know, this is – there is literally no legal justification for this vaccine being available at all. Let alone the fact that they tried to prove a vaccine that isn’t even out yet. You know, that, that’s a whole ‘nother story.

But this has to be withdrawn. Fauci has to be charged criminally; he needs to be in jail and there needs to be RICO, RICO suits, and I’m going to do this right here, right now, Mike. I’m going to call – I want any attorneys that are willing to do so, I’m going to put a button up on my website that says, you know, now hiring/taking volunteers, something. I don’t know. I’ve never put a button up. And if you’re willing to volunteer, or to work, or whatever, if I’ve got funding I’ll pay you. But if you’re willing to help, I want to do a RICO case against the entire trusted news initiative for covering this up, because they’ve been bought off by pharma. RICO, the FDA, Fauci, all these people that is one giant criminal conspiracy. We need to sue their butts and they need to be in jail.”

Mike Adams: “Well I think many viewers would agree with your assessment, but – so you’re talking about organized crime, racketeering, this is um… it’s, it’s a pretty high standard of proof in order to prove such cases. The DOJ is unlikely to want to prosecute this because the DOJ is probably part of the organized criminal operation. Would – would you say that?”

Thomas Renz: “Yeah. But we can do a civil case. We could do a civil case. And I’m all on board for it. I just need to get some experts and RICO, because I’m not a RICO expert. I need to get some people who are willing to help fight this. Because we don’t have enough attorneys. But I think we need to file a major suit.

I mean, listen, we know this entire trusted news initiative has been bought off by Gates Foundation, by big pharma, by all these different groups. We know how that works. We got all sorts of evidence on it. We know that the FDA, the CDC, we know – we got, right here, rock-solid evidence. These guys know that they’re lying when they say it’s safe and effective. They know that we know that they’re lying when they’re pushing this out there.

I don’t know how it could be anything but fraud, and I think we need a massive lawsuit to the tune of probably trillions, to get back the – to get back the just a portion of the damage these people have done on the American economy, on the world economy, to the lives and families of these people. This is so outrageous it is beyond words. In history, in history, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything in the American world that compares with the lies we’re seeing here. It’s just horrific.

Mike Adams: “Since you’re bringing up history, many people have called for international tribunals. War crimes tribunals against some of the individuals and organizations that you just named. Is RICO even enough? Does this need to go to more of a Nuremberg level of investigation of potential prosecution?”

Thomas Renz: “Well, so legally that would require a buy-in from our political leaders, and since most of them should actually be charged, I’m not sure that they’re going to do that, but yeah, I mean, I certainly think that this is a war crimes type thing. There’s no question what’s happened. There is zero question.

 

At this point, you know, you could argue that you didn’t believe my whistleblower. Okay, fine. How about – how about a document with the stamp from the DoD on it? Do you believe that? I mean, what do we gotta do? This is their words. This is as smoking of a gun as you can get.

Yes. There should definitely be an international war crimes tribunals for this. This is absolutely a violation of the principles of Nuremberg. By the way, World War II, you know this Mike. You know, this started out by trying to paint the Jews as unclean. And putting them in ghettos and, you know, testing vaccinations on them. That’s where this all started. Now we got to stop this before we get anyone – it gets any – goes any – who knows where they’re going with this. What I do know is that we’re not going there.”

Mike Adams: “But that’s my next question. The vaccines have already been administered according to the CDC to over 200 million Americans. We see from the data that you’ve just shown us here, that the outcomes worsen over time. Since you can’t undo a vaccine, where is this going? What does this mean for people who got vaccinated and are now looking at these data and saying, “Woah! What happens in November? Or December? January?” What are we looking at here, really?”

Thomas Renz: “Well if – so early on, what I had suggested was that this was going to be something where you’re going to be stuck getting booster shots for the rest of your life or die. Now, I don’t know if that’s going to be the case or not, but what I do know, is the best I can do for those people right now is pray and hope that we can find a way to undo the genetic modifications that they’ve done to themselves.

Because, you know, I mean, listen, we also in that whistleblower presentation, we laid out, this is a gene therapy. This is changing your genetics. So, I don’t know how we undo that, but what I do know is you all have been experimented on, with a dangerous experiment, that it turns out is going really badly, or maybe just as planned. I don’t know. But what I do know is it looks like it’s a real bad thing. It looks like there’s more people and more danger every day, and – nobody wanted to believe us. When you and I, Mike, were talking about this early on, no one wanted to believe it. But now – “

Mike Adams: “But now, right. The data are clear. So, just to refocus people on this, this is from the JAIC, division of the DoD. The JAIC uses artificial intelligence algorithms to study things like COVID-19 induced supply line disruptions. So they are out there trying to pinpoint critical supply failures in the supply chaining, including for parts for the military itself. They then took that A.I. system and they applied it to this Humetrix data set of 5.6 million Medicare recipients and their health outcomes, and then they were able to spot these patterns and they put it all in chart form.

So, you know, one of the big astonishing things about this, Tom, and thank you for sharing this and coming on to comment about it is, aren’t the people who, who are looking at this, aren’t they freaking out too? I mean, within the DoD, surely they see what this is!”

Thomas Renz: “You know, that’s a great question. I got to be honest with you, Mike. It – listen. This looks – makes it look really clear that they’ve been looking at it for awhile. Right? I mean, when you look at this, it’s a weekly report. So it’s not like this is new information. It’s been out for awhile. It’s been clear where the trends are going.

I – you know, to me, I don’t know how you argue that this is, you know, what, you’re sitting on your hands? You know? Because, I don’t know. On one side we can give them the benefit of the doubt and say, “Well this was such a political disaster that they just didn’t know what to do with it.” or, on the other side, you could just say, “Listen, this was intentional.”

I don’t know what it is, but either way there’s a lot of people dying and going to die that don’t need to die. And by the way, they’re lying here, which they are. Obviously we got – I mean, their evidence; this is as good as it gets. If they’re lying here, what else are they lying about? You remember, you know, we’ve been pushing early treatment: Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, D, zinc, all these different things. Hey. We’ve got doctors with thousands of people that have been treated with this and not die. THOUSANDS!

 

They’re lying about that too. [editor’s note to clarify: The CDC, NIH, FDA, etc. is lying that Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine don’t work] And P.S., I think I got some more data that just came in not too long ago. I haven’t had time to analyze it yet, that will show exactly that. So just, stay tuned. We’ll have more. We’re not done.”

Mike Adams: “Okay. And just a little flashback to something that you recently put out, that you have a whistleblower who has access to the Medicare aggregate data system, that showed close to 50,000 – I think it was 48,000 something deaths following vaccination of Medicare tracked patients. When are you going to get new data on, from that database, potentially?”

Thomas Renz: “Well, I’ve got, I’ve got stuff that I’m sending over, and you can put that up today if you’d like. You know, we’ve got a breakdown of a bunch more states. So, I think we’ve got 8 or 9 states now, with all their side effects, right? And by the way, just to be clear, that data is from the same servers that these guys are pulling from. So, so you know, if you want to doubt me before, it seems like this is pretty good vindication for me.

You know, you can look at these numbers. We’ve got them broken down – I know we’ve got New York, I know we’ve got California, I know we’ve got Ohio, we’ve got Florida, Texas, Missouri…

And you know, listen, look at this data and ask yourself, what is your governor doing? Because your governor should have access to this. Now thankfully in Texas and Florida you guys have governors who have kind of stood up. But if the words ‘safe and effective’ come out of their mouth, you need to show them this data, you need to show them this stuff, and you need to say, “Who the hell bought you?” Because that’s the ONLY way they can say this with a straight face, is if they’ve been bought and paid for.

And I don’t care who you are, it is very clear, they have or should have access to CMS data. If they’re not getting that then they’re not doing their homework or their public health people are lying to them. But guess what. They can’t claim ignorance any more because we put it out there.”

Mike Adams: “All right, all right. Well said. We’ve only got less than 2 minutes remaining here. I want to remind our audience your law firm is at renz-law.com. That’s the correct url, right?”

Thomas Renz: “Yes sir. Yes sir. Please check us out there. Renz-law.com.

Mike Adams: “Okay, and what do you say to all the people right now who themselves are dealing with legal issues with hospitals abusing their family members, or denying access to family members to – I mean, this is happening everywhere. I’m sure you’re getting flooded with requests for help, right?”

Thomas Renz: “Yeah. More than you can imagine. I’m praying for you, I’m praying for your families; it’s devastating to see. We’re trying to get cases developed on this as quickly as possible. They’ve done a ton of stuff to try and make it hard to sue these guys. ‘Cause they knew they were going to use them as killing fields. But we’re going to – we’re going to make them pay at some point.”

Mike Adams: “Okay, that’s great to know. And you also said previously, you can’t wait to sue over and over again, all of those who are complicit in this. Which is the – parts of the so-called media and big tech as well.”

Thomas Renz: “They’re going down. I want you to please – we’re going to get that button up as soon as possible. We want everybody that’s willing and able, click on that, tell us what you’re willing to do; we need good good people who are willing to bust their butts researching and writing.”

Mike Adams: “Okay. All right. Well said. Thomas, thank you so much for joining me today. It’s – your work is really courageous; you are doing amazing things to help save lives in this country. Thank you so much for joining us.”

Thomas Renz: “Thank you.”

Mike Adams: “All right. For those of you watching, feel free to repost this video on any platform – the original source is brighteon.tv. You can also find this on my channel: healthrangerreport@brighteon.com. Thank you for joining us today, and look for the article detailing this document at naturalnews.com. Thank you for joining us. God bless, take care.”

Note from Expanding Awareness Relations: As mentioned in the above interview, please visit the following links for more detailed information including more slides from the DoD documents and for additional Mike Adams videos:

RENZ LAW

BREAKING: AI-powered DoD data analysis program named “Project Salus” SHATTERS official vaccine narrative, shows A.D.E. accelerating in the fully vaccinated with each passing week

Health Ranger Report @ Brighteon

Thank you so much to Mike Adams and Thomas Renz for continuously bringing these important data and information to our attention. Your dedication and fortitude in standing strong against these tyrannical, unnecessary measures is incredibly needed and much appreciated during these perilous and unprecedented times.

And thank you to everyone who has stood up and spoken out against these nefarious agendas; and also thank you to everyone who is reading/watching and sharing these news to help get the word out about these corrupted organizations.

God bless.

Dr. Richard Fleming Interview with Mike Adams | “The Vaccines ARE the Bioweapon” [Full Transcript]

“This is a violation of science. This is a violation of medicine. This is a violation of humanity.”

In keeping with providing written transcripts for those who prefer to read text as opposed to watching videos, I have transcribed the following interview between Mike Adams and Dr. Richard Fleming.

Another in-depth/informative video that Mike Adams conducted, this time with Dr. Peter McCullough, that is transcribed in full can be found here:
Dr. Peter McCullough Interview with Mike Adams | “All to prepare the population for mass vaccination.” [Transcript]

Thank you to Mike Adams and Dr. Richard Fleming. While all of the information is incredibly helpful and insightful, I did provide some embellishments to highlight exceptionally pertinent topics.

 

Also thank you to all the doctors/scientists/researchers, etc. who have been brave enough to stand up for their patients and for humanity in general. Your bravery and integrity speaks volumes of your character and exemplifies what it means to be a strong, compassionate individual, especially in the midst of adversity and vitriol.

Mike Adams @00:33: “Welcome to BrighteonConversations, I’m Mike Adams, the founder and host of brighteon.com, today. 

We have a special guest, first-time guest. A brilliant individual who’s an author of a book called “Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?” His name is Dr. Richard Fleming, his website is flemingmethod.com, and he is not only trained as a physicist and a nuclear cardiologist, but, of course he’s an author and researcher and doctor – we’re going to talk to him, ask him lots of questions about what’s going on with COVID today.

So thank you for joining me. It’s an honor to have you on, welcome to BrighteonConversations.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @1:07: “It’s my pleasure to be here, thank you for the invitation.”

Mike Adams: “Well absolutely.

It’s fascinating, just really fascinating to be able to hear from people like you. Let’s start with some basics. Your book asks the question, ‘is the COVID-19 a bioweapon?’ And there’s a lot behind that, but, what’s the short answer? And what else does the book provide to support that?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @1:30: “Well there’s – ahem, the short answer, um, I think… I’m going to leave to the readers, for them to decide. I think, uh… a year ago, that question would have been heresy, and, you know, even though I was asking it a year ago, but it’s amazing how just as information comes out, people become much more aware of reality.

This book really lays out in detail a lot of information with people. It tells you to begin with what ‘gain of function’ is. Which is what the topic of the day is. The ability of scientists to take infections like a virus and make them more infective or potentially more dangerous. But it also, it provides a lot of information sequentially so you can understand where the moneys came from to build this virus, who published research – just literally published the research over the, you know, two to three decades, showing a nice paper trail of data, who got the patents on it, whose names are connected, how the funding got connected with it; and then, you know, really addressing that spike protein which is the actual bioweapon itself.

You know, the gain of function, man-made, altered, critical component to this virus being so infectious and dangerous – um, and amazingly enough that in and of itself explains to you why the drug vaccine biologics aren’t working at this point in time. Which we can get into if we have time. And then just an explanation also about the intentional release of this, of this virus, and recognition that this is not the first one of these viruses. It’s kind of a version number 2. And even though there’s a number of coronaviruses, which means viruses that look like a crown when you look at them under an electron microscope, this one is the 7th one that has been identified to infect in people, and it’s the 2nd one that holds the name of ‘severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus’. And it’s number 2 because number 1 was from 2002, also delivered to the world out of China. And by very much the same people.”

Mike Adams @3:52: “That leads me to a recent video by Dr. David Martin that I’d like your comment on. And I just happen to have these notes in front of me here. He was referring to a patent: April 19th 2002, U.S. patent, 7279327 – in which it appears that U.S. scientists created SARS. The – one of the early renditions of SARS, which later on was altered, was transformed to become SARS-CoV-2, eventually. But as you just said, some of these patents go back 22 years, and the research goes back even before that.

It appears that, like you said, there’s a long paper trail that they have been funding these efforts and deliberately working to engineer these viral – I don’t know – nanoparticles, pathogens, for some reason. But what about the motivation, then? Do you get into that in your book? What’s the – why are they doing this? Why?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @4:54: “Right, well, I think to understand the motivation of the people involved, you have to understand who’s involved. And when you look at, as explained in the book, where the funding from the United States came from. You know, more than 60 million dollars, which may not sound like much when we’re talking about throwing a trillion out here, and a trillion out there, I mean, 60 million dollars is still a fair amount of money for research scientists to work with; particularly when you consider over three decades, that amount of money was substantial.

And you simply asked, where did that money come from? Well it came from National Institutes of Health. It came from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. It came from the Department of Defense. In fact, more than half of it came from the Department of Defense, along with, as you’ll see in the book, a David Franz, who was a former deputy commander at Fort Detrick.

And in case anybody wants to take the argument that, ‘wait a minute, Fort Detrick is the U.S. military base, it doesn’t have anything to do with viruses and NIAID’, I would point out to you that I have received several emails from people trying to recruit me as a physicist for imaging at Fort Detrick, of viruses funded by NIAID. So I actually have documents of my own that have been sent to me, trying to recruit me, [Mike Adams laughs: “That’s great.”] to be involved in this, in this work. So, I think probably not anybody else has that. Um, you need to be a physicist to get that type of query from them. So clearly they are involved.

And then you asked the question, ‘what do these agencies work with?’ Well, as I frequently tell people, the DOD is not involved with the girlscouts. They don’t sell thin mints and they don’t help boyscouts sell popcorn. Um, they do other things. And what that really means is when you get right down to it, is that if you build a biologic – like this virus – which has no beneficial effect or benefit for mankind, which it clearly doesn’t, then you have violated the biologic weapons convention treaty. [Mike Adams: “Good point.”] And you are now, you are now an international criminal.”

Mike Adams @7:08 “Now, we spoke with doctor Francis Boyle on that issue, he’s an expert in that area, but from what you’re saying, I’m asking you to confirm this, if it is so, that it seems like the United States military was attempting to offshore the research in order to circumvent limitations on such research in the United States. So they funneled money through EcoHealth Alliance and Peter Daszak and so on, to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and then partnered essentially with the People’s Liberation Army, controlling the Wuhan Institute. 

So now you have the military of the United States and the military of China conducting research in China on biological weapons, which is obviously that intellectual property would be shared with both nations. Is that an accurate statement, or am I wrong in any point there?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @7:54: “No, that’s – that’s pretty good. I mean, the federal fundings in the United States, much of it, although not all of it, got circumvented through Peter Daszak at EcoHealth. He paid moneys off to Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina, but that’s not the only American Institution, and to Shi Zheng-li at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And we’ve seen decades of them working back and forth.

In fact, there’s some data that I have that isn’t yet in the book, and I’m saving it for a special purpose, um, and I’ll let your readers think about what that special purpose might be, showing that these same people also worked genetically to alter viruses so that they would escape the ability of our immune system to fight them off. And they successfully proved this. So this particular virus doesn’t have that aspect to it, but clearly if you’re developing one biological weapon, you know research scientists like myself don’t work on a project and go, ‘Well, that’s good. We’re going home now for the rest of our lives.’ I mean, you’re constantly working on new things. And one of the ways to think about this is the United States is playing China, China was playing the United States, and look who got caught in the crossfire.”

Mike Adams @9:07 “And the institution of this twisted science was playing us all, because my next question to you is about – remember when Peter Daszak authored that article, I think it was published in the Lancet, that initially proclaimed: “Oh, this is zoonotic. This couldn’t possibly have come from a lab.” I mean they were very insistent and they were arm-twisting and they were recruiting. And some of this came out in the FOIA request of Fauci’s emails where Daszak and Fauci were coordinating this, this fairy tale, to try to proclaim this wasn’t built in a lab. What are your comments on that?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @9:42: “Well, I have a very personal comment. You know, a lot of people spend their lives as research scientist, trying to become reviewers and editors for major league journals; it’s a big plus for us. I resigned in 2020 from two journals: The British Medical Journal Open Quality, and the Lancet. And I did that because of this type of use of a journal that used to be prestigious, to represent science at its best, being used as a manipulative tool for somebody to drive their agenda. And that unfortunately was the prostitution of our research journals.”

Mike Adams @10:22 “Wow. Wow! So, you said something to me related to this before we started our interview, that Fauci does not represent science. And, this is my next question, cause I’m very concerned about that. I mean, my background, I’m a food scientist. I run a mass spec food science lab. And we do very accurate quantitation and method development for glyphosate concentration and things like that for our business. That’s what we do. We test everything. Right? So we’ve very practical application. And I have always believed in the tenets of science. You know, let’s develop a method, let’s calibrate the instrument, let’s run it, let’s compare it to certified reference materials, do all these things. Yeah, that’s valid. That’s legit. And yet I see the institution of science committing suicide! Apparently. Committing suicide – credibility suicide. What do you think?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @11:13: “Right. Well I think part of the, part of the problem is because somebody calls themselves “scientist” doesn’t mean that they were actually practicing science. I mean, it’s more of a pseudoscience when you get into that. I was in medical college at the time that HIV hit. You know? And we got to see it first-hand. And I am hard-pressed, and that was in the early 1980’s, I am hard-pressed to find any substantive quality published research since that time that has Anthony Fauci’s name to it. So… you may be in charge of an agency, but that doesn’t mean that you’ve contributed to the field of science. Science builds upon all the work that, just as you said, you have to – you have to figure out what you’re doing, research-wise, you have to figure out how you’re going to answer that question, you have to be able to make your equipment work.

A good point to stop, at PCR, right there. Equipment working.

Kary Mullis developed the PCR test to look for genetic sequence. That’s what the patent is for. It looks for genetic sequence. If you read that patent, Kary Mullis said you stop at 20 cycles. It gets you a 100% of the genetic material if it’s there; anything else becomes gobbledy-gook, using that good scientific term that my parents taught me a long time ago. And what happened to that scientific tool? Well it got abused. By people who claim that they’re running science, but didn’t really understand the science.

You know, Mullis and I have two things – couple things in common. One, both patents, [owners]. And the second, we both think that Fauci is anything but science and we don’t think he’s much of a scientist. And we’ve both declared that we would love an opportunity to debate with him at any point in time about the science.

And that’s an offer that, you know, I make here again, which is: Anthony Fauci – anytime, anyday, anywhere, any place, you want to have a debate about SARS-CoV-2 and real science, let’s do it, so the American people can see what the truth of this is.

Mike Adams @13:18: “Is he hearing you say that, Dr. Fleming?

This is what gives me hope in the future of science. Because you are obviously an informed, intelligent, analytical person. And this is what desperately needs to be applied right now.

Because just going back to PCR, I’ve heard from other people, cause I’m always interviewing and talking to people, there are individuals out there who would just go to Thermo Fisher, and they would purchase PCR equipment, that they had never been trained on, they’d never run before – and it’s not that expensive, in terms of lab science. For a hundred grand or a hundred and twenty grand, you can get a PCR and a sample prep, you know, instrument. And they would run these things, and they would make a million dollars in one weekend doing tests for a local clinic or a hospital. Cause it’s all being billed out to the government.

And so, this is the case, exactly as you said, it was abused! And they would turn the cycle thresholds up to 35 or more! And they’re just – they’re basically just reporting instrument noise. This is background noise and they call it COVID. Wow!”

Dr. Richard Fleming @14:24: “Yeah, noise to signal ratio is the physics term, and they’ve introduced a bunch of noise into this. You know, what we have demonstrated very clearly in the almost 2 years here is that using PCR tests, we have demonstrated that respiratory viruses are transmitted from person to person, by respiratory pathways. We have proven that the inflammation and blood-clotting that’s associated with COVID-19, that I talked about first in 1994, is the cause of these diseases; that if you don’t treat that, people die.

And we have shown that if you take a drug vaccine, that is directed towards just a part of one type of variant of a species of coronavirus, and you make an immune response to that, you’ll make an immune response, but when you dump billions of that into the body, you’ll make a massive immune response and have very adverse effects, which is what we’re seeing.

It didn’t make any – it didn’t make any difference in the number of people who end up with the COVID or dying; vaccinated versus not. But we managed to devote massive immune responses and then we were able to put pressure on the virus to promote one of the variants, in this case delta – but there’s lambda and a whole series of these that are out there, that if you actually attack one part of, in this case the virus, you’ll promote the spread of the other types that are immune. Because the antibodies are completely different for that type of spike protein.”

Mike Adams @15:57: “Right. Viral, just viral evolution add up to host adaptation.” 

Dr. Richard Fleming: “Yeah, I mean the virus – it’s like antibody resistant bacteria. Those anti – those bacteria are already resistant. But if you dump antibiotics into the system indiscriminately, you’ll kill off the ones that can’t handle that, but the antibody resistant ones will flourish. And that’s all we’ve done. Is we have demonstrated, wow, pressure selection works.

So we know that viruses pass by air, we know that if you don’t treat patients they die, and we know that if you put pressure on a species like this virus, it will select out for the ones that are most viable to live and cause a problem. And like Albert Einstein said, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.” Well, let me ask everybody: how did our masking, quarantining, deprivation of medical treatment, and pressure selection on a virus work? – Wait a minute. We’re doing the same thing we did 2 years ago. I think that answers the question. 

And, with the book, we now who know who’s paying for it and the people who paid to develop it, are the same people that are blocking the treatments, are the same people getting money for the vaccines; and that should raise just a few eyebrows out there, among the at least 30% of the U.S. population that we know are beginning to listen to the science, as opposed to the pseudoscience political speech.”

Mike Adams @17:29: “My, you raised so many issues here, let me see if I can remember all the questions. Just from that.

So, one thing you’re referring to is the epidemiological effects of the viral adaptation pressures caused by mass vaccinations of people during a strong outbreak. Now, Geert Vanden Bossche, Dr. Bossche, if I’m pronouncing it correctly – Bossche – he’s warned about that exact scenario. And he’s an epidemiologist, a pro-vaccine epidemiologist, or researcher, and it seems now, when you have certain countries like Israel and Australia that are very heavily vaccinated and now they’re starting to see that the severe patients who are experiencing hospitalization, have now sometimes 74% of them have been vaccinated. Is that – seeing that, is that consistent with what you are describing?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @18:23: “Absolutely. And when they talk about the unvaccinated having problems as well, well of course, because it’s all been selected out to produce these slightly more infective delta variants. So yeah, they’ve done a brilliant job of proving science is correct, um, they just haven’t figured out quite how to handle this. And that would require that they step back and go, ‘You know, maybe we should have been more upfront and honest with you about what we were doing with this money and the development of this bioweapon.’

Um, because now, now these people are criminally culpable. They have violated a Biological Weapons Convention treaty. They have violated informed consent with the Declaration of Helsinki. They have violated the International Covenant of Civil Political Rights Treaty. They have violated the Nuremberg Code.

Physicians in the United States that are vaccinating people who have not read the package inserts to obtain the information about the drugs are violating their Hippocratic Oath – but, wait a minute, there’s actually nothing on those package inserts. They say that they are intentionally blank, so had they read them, they would have seen that they were intentionally blank and that they don’t have informed consent to give to the patients.

What we’re seeing from the VAERS is that all the inflammation and blood-clotting that I warned about in 1994 is exactly what we’re seeing in healthy people with this massive immune response, causing heart damage, liver damage, neurologic diseases; all the things that we’ve been warning about. All the things that we have made worse by the very approach that we’ve done to this.

And you know, if we were just human beings and we actually had gotten exposed to a virus that was doing this to us, that would be one thing, and you could say ‘oops, my bad’, you know, using the vernacular. But the problem is, we’re the ones who developed it. And by ‘we’ I don’t mean me. I mean the people that are talked about in this book. The people that, and you’ll see in the book, where they took one part of one virus, combined it with another part of another virus, then inserted separate nuclei type bases in there to make it more infective.

I mean, this is – I don’t know… you know, they might have at one point in time thought they were doing something for mankind decades ago, but when you get to the place that you’ve jumped evolutionary barriers, by decades and tens and hundreds and perhaps thousands of years, and produced something that we would not have to be worrying about, and now you’ve produced this gain of function weapon, in violation of treaties?

First off, you’re criminally accountable, and secondly, anybody who requires mandated vaccines without these informed consents, have violated international treaties. And if you are an elected official, or an appointed official, and you’ve taken an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States, you have violated that oath. And under that oath and the Constitution, that’s treason.”

Mike Adams @21:36: “So what you are describing, and I think our audience agrees with everything that you’ve just described, but I want to ask you one step further on this.

What you appear to be describing, is a large-scale organized crime, racketeering, money-laundering operation, you know, the government’s laundering money into the hands of big pharma, while big pharma is funding the FDA and funding the politicians and the CDC, which owns patents on some of the earlier coronaviruses. Probably receiving royalties of some kind on all of this. And keep people like Walensky, the director of the CDC, her husband, his company, receive millions of dollars in NIH grant money; approved by Fauci and so on.

This is an incestuous money-laundering racket with the cost being born by the people. Because the vaccine companies have legal immunity from indemnification from lawsuits. But the people then have to bear their own medical cost from the adverse reactions, long-term effects, long-term blood clot, inflammation effects; all of these things. This is – if this is all true, it’s beyond insidious, it’s beyond criminal, it is – it is perhaps the most diabolical attack on humanity that has ever been waged on this planet. Would that be accurate?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @22:56: “Absolutely. When Adolf Hitler started the Nazi regime, the first people that they put in concentration camps were not the Jews. It was the intellectuals. The people that would open debate discussions about what was going on. After he accomplished that, then he went after the Jews and the homeless and anybody else he thought that was undesirables.

So the first thing you do, if you want to have this type of effect, is you take out the intellectuals so that people will not discuss and debate what’s really going on and figure it out. And what happened in Germany? The doctors went along with it, the politicians went along with it, the judges went along with it. The only difference is that they really had a very small group of people that they were experimenting on, compared to what’s going on today, because this is a global experiment. And you’re either part of the experimental, or you’re part of the control group, right now.

You know? And the data is pouring in, whether we like it or not. And history is being written whether we like it or not. So, Adolf Hitler and Josef Mengele are turning over in their graves right now going, ‘wow, we could not have imagined being able to pull anything off on this massive scale’. And yet, we’ve shown repeatedly that if you lockdown people and quarantine them and keep them from talking, and feed them the agenda.

Goebbels – no, Goering, rather, at the Nuremberg Trial in 1947, when he was being held accountable for his crimes against humanity, looked at the prosecutors – the American prosecutors, and said, “If you want to manipulate a people, and have them do what you want as a government, all you have to do is tell them there’s a problem, tell them what the answer to that problem is. Tell them that anybody who opposes that answer is a traitor to the country. And you can get them to do it.”

And the Americans said, “You, you are so wrong. We live in the United States. We elect our officials.” And he laughed at them and he said, “Look. A republic. A parliament. Communist. Socialist. Fascist. It doesn’t matter. People are controlled the same way. You isolate them, you tell them there’s a problem, you tell them what the answer to the problem is, you tell them anybody who opposes that, is a traitor to the country. You put the people against each other.”

And that’s what’s happened. We’ve seen it in families. We’ve seen it in churches. We’ve seen it in businesses. We’ve seen it in cities. We’ve seen it in states. We’ve seen it in countries. I have colleagues in Italy that tell me right now, that the response that the non-vaccinated are receiving from the vaccinated people in Italy was the same response that they saw when Mussolini was in charge of Italy during World War 2. The same pressures, threatens, accusations; not a thoughtful discussion. You know?

If somebody is nuts, – you know, if this book is wrong, well I’ve pretty much laid out all the data; it’s – it would be easy to refute it. The problem is, I’ve laid out all the data. And you can’t refute it. The documents have been saved by the way, in case they try to pull them off the internet. They’ve been, they’ve been given to several sources for safe-keeping for hard copies, for use in courts around the world as we hold these people accountable.”

Mike Adams @26:24: “So once again, you’ve – we’re going to have to do more interviews, because you’re, you’re just flagging all of these things. Let me just, let me bring up the Stanford Prison Experiment. I’m sure you’re familiar with it, it was based on the Milgram Experiment, but the Stanford Prison Experiment, for the viewers who may not be familiar, they took volunteers, who I believe were Stanford graduate students, and they divided them up. Just, half of you are going to play the role of guards, prison guards, and the other half are going to play the role of prisoners. And then they role-played that for not very long, when the guards became, you know, diabolical, cruel, in their treatment. Because they began to adopt these psychological roles.

And that’s what you’re describing, Dr. Fleming. Where the vaccinated, now, become the prison guards of society. And where this is going is now very clear, because the CDC has a document on their website that we’re covering. It talks about “green zones”, which are COVID quarantine camps.

Governor Lee of Tennessee, just on Friday, signed an Executive Order authorizing National Guard and State Guard to take people away from their homes with telephone assessments, determining who needs to be taken away, to be put into involuntary internment camps, that are being constructed in the state of Tennessee. And the CDC saying we’re going to have “community level neighborhood enforcers” of some kind, who are checking in with you to make sure you’re complying.

This – this is, this is an Orwellian nightmare, come to life.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @28:00: “Yeah. This is Nazi, Germany. And by the way, Executive Orders don’t have legal authority if the legislative bodies is Mr. Executive, in this case, the governor, you don’t have the authority to do that.

And this is where I point it out earlier in our discussion. Anybody who takes the oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, and, same thing for their states, the supreme law of land in the United States is the U.S. Constitution. Statutes passed by the Congress of the United States and treaty law, it’s in the Constitution, violation of any of those by anybody who has an oath is a violation of the Constitution, is treason by definition. Treason is punishable by death. [Mike Adams: “By definition. Also. Yes.”]

By definition. Violation of the Biologic Weapons Convention treaty, the ICCPR treaty, the Nuremberg Code, and the Helsinki Declaration, are international treaty violations before the International Criminal Court, is – are crimes against humanity, just as they were in Nuremberg. So I’m calling for Nuremberg 2. We are much closer to that than anybody else has and perhaps I’ll come back another day to let you know exactly where we’re at on that. [Mike Adams: “We need that update, yes.”] 

These crimes are crimes against humanity, and they are punishable by death, just like they were in Nuremberg, and bear – remember, that in Nuremberg, there wasn’t just one trial. There were a dozen of them. After the first trial, came the doctors trial, and the couple after that the jurists, or the judges, and the attorneys and the law-maker trials. They were all held accountable in International Court for crimes against humanity.”

Mike Adams @29:57: “How – I don’t know, the historical record in detail. How many people were sentenced to death for being complicit in that?”

Dr. Richard Fleming: “Um, I’ve actually got that on the site in some of the presentations I’ve done so I know. I can try to really pull up, real quick, one of the PowerPoint slides.”

Mike Adams: “While you’re looking for that, let me just tell the audience that the title of your book is, “Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?” It’s currently available on Amazon, somehow. I’m not sure how. They’ll probably pull it at some point. So get it while you can. “Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?”

Dr. Richard Fleming: “So, there were, in the initial trial, of the 24 defendants, with Goering and the rest, of the initial 24, 12 were given the death sentence. 3 were given life imprisonments. 4 were sentenced between 10 and 20 years. None of them received the treatment that they wanted. Some of them thought, well, we were – they were German high officials, they should be treated with more respect. And the court just laughed at that.

And then there were a couple, Hitler and Goering – or Goebbels, both committed suicide before the war came to an end. And Goering laughed at them and committed suicide the day before they were going to execute him. There were 12 trials, after that one came the doctors trial, and 7, there were 7 German doctors who argued that they weren’t doing anything different than American and other – and Russian doctors were doing. And the truth of the matter is, they really weren’t doing things worse. But they were physicians – excuse me, they were physicians who came up and said, the problem with that is that these things were wrong no matter who did it and we’re not going to let them get by with it. So that was the Nuremberg Code that was developed. And uh… let’s see… if I have that numbers on that.

Of the 16, let’s see, of the 23 doctors, 16 were found guilty, and 7 were executed. [Mike Adams: “Wow. Wow.”] So if you think you get by free on this one, um, you don’t. Because as long as I’m still living and breathing, I plan to see this through. Because this is a violation. This is a violation of science. This is a violation of medicine. This is a violation of humanity.”

Mike Adams @32:40: “What will it take, Dr. Fleming, before we can have that kind of public pressure to call for Nuremberg 2.0? Because, you know, looking back at World War 2, they – the Nazi regime got away with genocide for many years. Murdered millions of people, while these so-called good Germans went along with it. And it was happening in their own backyards; they wanted to be part of the party. One of the economic benefits of having the war factories running, and so on. We have a lot of good Germans in America today, I’ve noticed. Because they’re going along with it. It might be half the country at this point. Going along with it.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @33:19: “Yeah, there’s a nice sign that I’ve seen that I’m sure has been spread around through our social media system that we have. Where it says, “If you wondered what you would’ve done in Nazi, Germany 1930’s, you now know.” 

Mike Adams: “That’s right. That’s right. And, you can look at your friends, family members, co-workers, whatever, you can now tell who would’ve been right at home in the Nazi regime.

Dr. Richard Fleming @33:43: “Here’s the important thing your listeners need to realize. The people that recognize there’s a problem, need to reach out to the people who have been taken advantage of. Because most of the people who get vaccinated, for example, did so because they were worried about someone they loved and care about.

Vaccines don’t keep you from getting infected. For them to work, you have to get infected. Okay? Vaccines don’t keep you from spreading infection. They simply make it possible for your body to respond sooner, to whatever you get vaccinated with so that your symptoms are shorter in duration. Which is a great way to increase asymptomatic carriers. Or minimally symptomatic carriers. And the problem is, it doesn’t do a thing for the pressure strains of the variants that exists. And those are going to continue.

These viruses have a lot of variants, we’re tracking, I as a research scientist, I’m actually watching the data that’s being done on the changes in these viruses to watch what’s going on. To watch what changes are occurring, what changes are happening naturally, evolutionary wise to this virus. Because even though it was man-made, it’s still a virus. It’s a living thing, and it’s making the changes like living organisms do.

Some of it looks like it’s trying to delete some of the inserts that were put into it. The consequences of some of that is becoming even more infective, but it’s not becoming more dangerous. Remember that if a virus becomes too dangerous, it will kill whatever it’s in, and then it can’t spread. So it’s not like these things become more dangerous. They get dangerous enough to get their benefit, naturally, and when idiot humans work on them and make them – well, all bets are off.

And what we saw was an ideal bioweapon, because the idea of a bioweapon isn’t to kill your enemy. We learned in Vietnam, my era, that if you wanted to win, you didn’t shoot to kill your enemy; you shot to maim your enemy because a wounded soldier on the other side might have friends that will come to the rescue of their friend and drag them off the field. Right? Now instead of killing one person, you’ve taken 2 or 3 people off the field. So maiming is much more effective.

Now if you can demoralize and damage a society by putting it – I don’t know – by shutdown and economic tailspin and, and keeping its people from talking, you have developed the ideal bioweapon.”

Mike Adams @36:18: “But, to that point, the people who built this, and the people who have pushed this and promoted the hysteria, they have gained so much power and profit. Also through the assertion of false authority, like the CDC claiming they now control all private property rental contracts, somehow, for some reason out of the blue. But why wouldn’t they now release something more dangerous and more deadly if they have it in the freezer? You know, the Fauci Freezer 2.0. Why wouldn’t that now be their next play?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @36:52: “There isn’t any reason why it wouldn’t be. Remember earlier I made the comment that research scientists don’t stop and say, “Okay, I guess we’re done with this project. Let’s go home.” They’re constantly working on it. You know, if you got the people doing what you want the people to do, well, you now have a perfect setup for continuing to run your experiment. You know? And which may not be the way people want to think about it, but it’s, from that point of view, it’s a great experimental design of ‘what can we get by with what can we do?’

And one thing that, you know, I didn’t mention before, I was working in my Master’s in psychology before I entered medical college. And so we had done all the work on these types of things, as graduate students in psychology, including the Stanford study and things like that. And it’s amazing what people will do. They will do it because they like power and control. They will do it because they don’t want to be hurt, and so they’d rather go along with it. It’s very easy to turn people against people.

But again, going back to the idea, if you can reach out to your neighbors and your friends and the people that maybe you’ve been alienated from, and say, “You know, this isn’t us. This isn’t us fighting us.” We’ve gotta stop fighting us and start looking at the science and the information. Which is what this book does, “Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?” tells you what you need to know.

Well you can go find it, and prove for yourself because – like Galileo? You know? He got put under house arrest for telling everybody – most people think he got put under house arrest for saying the Earth goes around the sun. What he got put under house arrest for was saying, “You know what? Don’t take my word for it. And don’t take anybody else’s word for it. If you look up at the sun and the stars and the moon, and you think about these few things… you know what? You’re smart enough to figure this out on your own.”

And oh my goodness. Do we really want people having common sense and saying, wait a minute. If this approach was so good, why would we have to offer Krispy Kreme donuts, and marijuana, and lottery tickets, and major league baseball tickets – I mean, we wouldn’t have to bribe the American people for doing that.

Recognize that, as a research scientist with 53 years, if these drug vaccines had actually been tested properly, and done correctly so that they produce the desired end result? I’d be the first person in line saying, “Go get ’em!” That’s not what you’re hearing. What you’re hearing, is that’s not what’s going on, and these are the people who built it.”

Mike Adams @39:26: “Okay, your experience in psychology leads me to this next question. One of the things that we find, in trying to reach out to people, is that those who have already taken the vaccine, then, they of course are now looking for data and filtering out anything, so that they can reinforce their previous behavior. So they’re taking the vaccine, they cannot cognitively accept contradictory information that would show, retroactively, that they made a bad decision. That phenomenon is very real.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @39:57: “Right. Right. But here’s the good news for them. Because part of the problem for them is that they’re going, “Well, if I accept that, now it means… I’m in trouble. And the people that I thought I was protecting are in trouble.”

Well here’s the good news. Number one: it turns out that we did research on people that had the infection or developed COVID-19 and we showed success in 99.83% of the cases by treating the inflammation, the blood clotting and the attachment of the virus and its ability to replicate. So with the stress of all this, I actually put together a protocol based upon prior published research, from lots of different people. You can go to the website, the one area of published research on SARS has more than a hundred and sixty research papers on it.”

Mike Adams @40:47: “And this is all at flemingmethod.com?”

Dr. Richard Fleming: “Flemingmethod.com. That will explain these different drugs, and the vaccines themselves. The EUA documents. And drugs that work and why they work.

So one of the examples is, Ivermectin has not been known, the way I do it, with tissue measurement, to interfere with the attachment of replication of the virus. What it has been shown to do, is protect the nucleus of the cell from being, from having genetic material from outside the cell get into your cell and become part of your DNA.

So one of the problems of the vaccines, is it’s dumping BILLIONS, versus hundreds of viral particles, but BILLIONS of genetic codes for spike proteins. And we’re talking for Pfizer/Moderna, 13.1 billion, and for Janssen and AstraZeneca, 50 billion. You know. In Novavax it’s nothing more than just dumping in a load of that spike protein made inside moth cells. And God knows what’s actually in the spike protein since it had to get in the DNA of the moth cell to then be made.

I mean, you know, at what – I don’t know. Right? Because they’re not actually showing it, so injecting that is not more intelligent. It’s injecting spike proteins made by moth cells, into you, with probably something else.

And so, what these protocols that I put on the website for people who have been vaccinated or have shedding problems, which we know shedding’s a real thing because the FDA and Health and Human Services published 2 papers: 1 in August of 2015, talking about, what do you do with mRNA and DNA viral and bacterial gene therapies? Their words, not mine. And then in January of 2020, came out with an updated report, FDA and Health and Human Services and CDERs on the shedding byproducts are the products of what you inject in the body. Which are, you know, spike protein and who knows what else? Right?

So as a result of that, we’ve put together the best evidence available, treatment protocols, and we have been testing that in Europe and some places in the United States, and we’re seeing positive results from people. So we know the sooner that gets started the better, and, you know, if you’re not symptomatic, you don’t see anything, you know, you have nothing to measure. But it’s not a done deal just because you got vaccinated and you had problems or you’re concerned about it.

We know from the animal models right now that the humanized mice developed brains that look like sponges; so what I would call spongiform encephalopathy, and what the general public calls mad cow disease. We know the rhesus macaque animal models – the rhesus macaque animal models showed Lewy bodies, which causes Alzheimer’s disease in the brains of all the animals that were given these spike proteins. We know this is true whether you get it naturally or by the vaccine. The difference is that these drug vaccine biologics have BILLIONS compared to hundreds or thousands. Right? So you don’t have to be a rocket scientist. You don’t have to have a PhD, MD, JD to figure this out. You know, my parents would have told you, “Yeah, billions versus hundreds, big difference.”

Mike Adams @44:12: “But, but I’ve actually, I’ve heard from people who were trying to justify why they took the vaccine, and they would actually tell me that they wanted the smallest possible exposure and that the vaccine could provide that. And I said, “Are you kidding me?” I mean, that’s not a small exposure. What are they injecting – 250 microliters? And, you know, spike protein particles are really tiny. So there’s a lot of ’em in there.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @44:37: “Yeah, when you do the math, and you can – there’s actually, I’ve got that on the website so you can do the math based upon the volume, and for the lipid nanoparticles, Pfizer and Moderna, it’s 13.1 BILLION. And Janssen and AstraZeneca it’s 50 BILLION. Okay? [Mike Adams: “Incredible.”]

And you have to understand, once you appreciate that this spike protein is a man-made gain of function bioweapon, and then you realize that the vaccines are nothing more than the genetic code for the bioweapon, now you realize that the vaccines ARE the bioweapon. In addition to the virus.”

Mike Adams @45:16: “But, what you’re saying makes perfect, logical, rational sense. But how can mainstream doctors be so self-convinced it seems, when you can give them research. Hey, the Salk Institute says the spike protein causes widespread vascular damage, and the spike protein is IN the AstraZeneca vaccine that’s been linked to blood clots and so on. And they will – they will somehow, they will delete that from their consciousness. They will say that they don’t believe there is a spike protein. Or that they think that that antigen target is harmless. They just delete, from their consciousness – It’s like, it’s like mass hypnosis or something. Really.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @45:27: “Yeah, and one of the reasons we’re having so many papers – that 160+ papers and it’s growing every day, on the website, is doctors do want to do the right thing, by and large. But they haven’t had the data. They haven’t known where to go look for it. And they haven’t had the data to look and say, “Wait a minute. This was a gain of function bioweapon. This was something man-made.”

The benefit of putting this information out there, for the general public to read, and for the doctors to read, is to bring everybody up to speed. You know, last year, a year ago, I’d have said, “You know what, doctors? I get it. You’re just going along with what we’ve done before. We know vaccines can be beneficial for people.”

I’m not anti-vaccine. I’m just anti-bad medicine. Okay? People have heard me say that now probably too much. But I’m just anti, anti-stupidity, okay? Richard doesn’t suffer fools gladly. That’s what my original mentor used to tell people. And I don’t. I don’t. I don’t care what position or power, authority they have. And the more of that they have, the more responsibility they have to be honest and upright, and honest with people.

So the truth of the matter is, a year ago, I could give a break to my medical colleagues and say, “Okay, you just didn’t know. You were going along with what’s been taught. But look guys. We’ve never seen this much of a blithering disaster before in our lives.” Right?

I mean, we’ve never had a problem where we’ve promoted a variant that’s more infective of something as a result of the vaccines we’ve done. Our vaccines in the past have taken a virus, say… measles. Okay? And we’ve taken the whole, the whole family of measles, right? You know, because there’s not one thing. It’s just one human, right? Humans vary, but they’re all humans. There’s not one type of bacteria, you know, e. coli, but there’s a variety of them, but they’re all e. coli. Well there’s not just one type of SARS-CoV-2. There’s varieties of those.

So in the past we’ve always taken those viruses, we’ve weakened them, attenuated them, and then injected it into people. So what did people see? They saw all of them. And they saw all the parts of the virus. So they didn’t just see a spike protein. They saw the nucleocaps, and the envelope, and the HE and all the other components of it that they can then make antibodies to, and t-cell responses to. So if they saw any of that in the future, they responded.

What did we do this time around? We didn’t give you the whole thing. We gave you the genetic code of a bioweapon, of one type of spike protein, so that the further you get away from that, the less likely you’ll respond to it, and you won’t recognize the virus if you get a variant of it for real, because not only will the spike protein be different, but you’ll never have had any exposure, the HE component, or the envelope component, or the nucleocapsid component. So it’s all brand new to you; you’ve got NO immunity.

And there’s papers that have been published that show that people with natural exposure to SARS-CoV-2 have long lasting natural immunity with t-cell and antibody major responses – it doesn’t matter how bad the exposure was or how bad the infection was. And there’s data that shows that there’s no relapse for people who have had influenza A inside a megalovirus. 

Mike Adams @49:14: “Yeah, robust natural immunity was the term. Now, now Dr. Walensky of the CDC has admitted a recent quote. She said that we’re only a couple of mutations away from the original vaccines being completely ineffective. So, she’s saying what you just said. I mean, she’s confirming it. That’s almost a direct quote from her. It’s astonishing! Even they realize their vaccines are failing.”

Dr. Richard Fleming @49:40: “This is a dog chasing its tail. And while that’s fun to do with a dog, particularly if it’s your dog and you like him, okay? This isn’t exactly the same thing, is it? I mean, people – people are dying, because they get infected and then when they get ill, they’re not getting treatment. That doctors KNOW work. Okay? These agencies do not have the legal authority to be telling doctors not to use these treatments. [Mike Adams: “It’s extraordinary.”]

Agencies don’t have the right to ship people off to camps. That governor, doesn’t have a legal right in his state, to do that. His legislature needs to step up, the people in that state need to look at their elected officials and go, “Guys. You want to be elected next term? You need to put a hold on this. You don’t have this authority.” This did not become the Third Reich/Fourth Reich in the last 2 years. Even though they’ve been playing with this for 3 decades.”

Mike Adams @50:41: “Well, knowing some people from Tennessee, I have a feeling there’s going to be a shorter John Rope coming up real soon. But we’ll, we’ll leave that to people’s imagination.

Let me ask you about inflammation. This is our last 5 minutes here. You’re an expert on inflammation and I think one of your patents you said relates to the measurement of inflammation in tissues. I want to ask you about your estimate of the progression of the inflammatory response, specially based on the mRNA technology that’s causing people to generate these spike protein bioweapons in their bodies.

And again, the Salk Institute says, yeah, these spike protein cause vascular damage. We’ve seen blood clots, especially in young, healthy males with otherwise healthy cardiovascular function. We’ve seen myocarditis, we’ve seen strokes, we’ve seen heart attacks, lots of things.

What’s the prognosis if people don’t do the things that you describe on your website? Because there are interventions that can be post-vaccine interventions, that can help tremendously. But if they don’t do those things, because it’s all being censored, what’s the progression that we can expect to see even antibody dependent enhancement?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @51:46: “Yeah, so an antibody dependent enhancement is very unique to this virus. Which is also another trigger for you to realize that it’s not a naturally occurring one. Because in this virus, the antibody dependent enhancement is actually the result of antibodies being made to the end terminal domain of the spike protein. And when those antibodies attach, they open up the spike protein and make it 4 to 10 times as infective. That’s the real antibody dependent enhancement.

It’s different than anything we’ve seen before. But this is – so the body is going to produce this InflammoThrombotic Response that I talked about originally in ’94 or ’95, put in my textbook in ’99. Did the bacterial work from 2000 to 2003 and was on 20/20 talking about it in 2004, so you would’ve thought we’d have this down by now. But your body sees something infected, whether it’s a spike protein or the virus, and it dumps chemicals from your t-cells to try and kill anything that’s been attached to it, to try to stop the replication of the virus. That happens at about 3-5 days, and then in 7-10 days your b-cells kick in and do much of the same thing chemically, but then also make antibodies. Right? So they’re going to go in and they’re going to attach to that tissue.

Now, all you need to go back and do is look at strep pharyngitis, when people get strep throat and doctors like myself say, particularly cardiologists like myself say, ‘you need antibiotics for that’. Why do we write that? Because those antibodies that respond to streptococcus pneumoniae, or what you call strep throat, also recognize the valves of your heart as looking an awful lot like it, and produce rheumatic heart disease. There’s different heart valves. And over the course of time, you’ll end up with a valve replacement. So when these attacks occur on your heart, if you don’t stop them sooner than later, it causes inflammation and damage and weakness to the heart. And the longer that goes on, the more that damage is going to occur and it’s going to add up over the course of time.

And you’re going to take, for the love of God, vaccinating our kids, and – and you know, all the way down, and our college students, our university students, our athletes, with these – these vaccines that are producing, we know, 6,000 cases so far reported on VAERS of heart attacks, or damage/death to the heart. And cardiomyopathies, or inflammation of the heart that produce viral cardiomyopathies – that we’ve known about since, I don’t know, at least I – when I was in medical school in the Dark Ages in the early 80’s, 1980’s, it’s going to get progressively worse and worse and worse.

We know from the animal models that the brain disease that occurs in those animals means that at about a year and a half, we’re going to start seeing this occur in people. Now it’s going to depend on how much they got exposed to, and how much got into the brain, how much damage was done to the heart. But we’re going to see these progressive diseases take more and more of a toll if people don’t take action to address them.”

Mike Adams @54:46: “Well Dr. Hoffe from Canada has spoken about using d-dimer tests, I believe to – and some microscopy, to look at micro blood clots in the vascular system of post-vaccine patients. And he’s expressed tremendous concern about medium term 2-3 years out, vascular damage that is accumulating and leading to severe cardio events. Have you seen what he’s talking about?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @55:16: “Yeah, FlemingMethod is the only way that – is the way that we monitored those treatments so we can fine-tune in our study what was going on. And you can monitor people every 3 days and you can see the change; you can see whether they’re getting better on the treatment or not making any change or getting worse. So this stuff doesn’t take a ton of time to start seeing any effect.

You know, once the immune system kicks in, 3-5 days for t-cells, 7-10 days for antibody production, from the delayed humoral response, and you’re going to start seeing damage occur. If you don’t do something about that damage, and you develop COVID-19 as a result, you’re going to see the consequences of that. A slow smoldering process is still a fire that’s burning. It may not end you up in the hospital, but it’s going to – and it’s going to depend on the person. How bad that turns out over the course of time. And we’re going to get to see it.”

Mike Adams @56:12: “I’ve got to ask you this question. I hope you can stay another couple of minutes, but, what about the proinflammatory properties of certain low-grade seed oils that are heavily used in the diet – such as soy oil, corn oil, and so on – perhaps canola. Do you think there’s kind of a confluence of synergistic toxic effects from COVID-19 vaccines, spike protein injections, and dietary factors such as proinflammatory ingredients?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @56:41: “Right, so the original theory that I talked about in 1994 that’s on the website, includes all of those factors together. I mean, basically I joined American Heart in 1976 as the youngest faculty member ever. And that put me on 3 major committees right upfront: Basic Cardiac Life Support, Advanced Cardiac Life Support, and the newly formed Physician Cholesterol Education Faculty.

So I went around talking about cholesterol and training physicians and the general public on all these different aspects. And then in 1994, after doing a lot of research on heart disease and diets and, you know, I was, I did several dietary studies; I’ve done more dietary studies that I ever wanted to do in my life, on the effect of various diseases including heart disease.

And in 1994 I walked into American Heart and I said, “Look guys, okay, I’ve been – I’ve looked at my data, I’ve looked at all the other data.” You know. I’ve looked at data outside of the U.S., outside of medicine; I’ve looked at everybody’s data. I had something like 5 or 6 hundred papers at that time, and I said, “Here’s the 12 things that I think play a role to varying degrees in different people. Much like a spider’s web, where you can tug on one part, it’ll affect everything else. And it produces this inflammation wall of the arteries, make it impossible for the arteries to relax and carry more blood flow, and that’s really what heart disease is.” And I got told I didn’t know what I was talking about, you know.

In fact, the HERS 2 trial, or HERS trial was coming out where they were talking about estrogen replacement, and I said, “Look. This is going to be a problem.” And they said, “No no no. We know this is going to come out well.” And that study they presented in ’94, they said, “Whoops. Look. So bad. This actually causes more heart disease.” And I said, “Really? You think so?”

Because what I was trying to tell people is, what are the general practice doctors, the family practice doctors usually do when they talk to young women that are just getting married and they say, “Doctor, I don’t want to have children right away. I want to just have time with my husband.” So they prescribe them birth control pill. Right? Estrogens, right? Right? And what’s the question the doctor says? “Well, you have any clotting problems in your family?” Why? Because we know that with the estrogens at that level, and clotting problems, you end up with problems.

Well, gee. I was part of the theory. So the theory said, yeah, cholesterol, triglycerides, saturated fats, highly processed foods, homocysteine, lipoprotein little a, fibrinogen, manipulation of things, bacteria, and viruses. All played a role, and some other things that I’d have to go look at the theory again. I put it in a nice schematic for people. All play a role to varying degrees.

So, when this hit, all SARS-CoV-2 did was, deformally prove the entire theory. Which wasn’t exactly what I was going for. But you know, back in the 90’s, I was working on these neuro five ac receptors, that I had concerns about as far as causing inflammation from animal, animal meats, and what was going – it turns out that that’s exactly what these people were working on the virus at the time, because the GP120 uses that same receptor. It’s called a sialic raft receptor, just to first hook into to help stabilize the virus to infect. But it’s also a prion region of that.

So, and when Shi Zhengli, as you’ll see in the book, put glycoprotein 120 in 2004, my original thought was she was doing it to try and get it into the nucleus of the cell, because she didn’t have that data. The Human Genome Project was being completed at that time showing that you didn’t need to do it that way. The cells would do it if you give them the right virus or bacteria. But what it did do is it anchored into the cell, and it’s a prion. And she knew that, because the data was already published in 2004 that showed GP120 produces prion diseases.

Well, it got put into the spike protein, along with everything else, produced another prion region of the spike protein that attached. That’s the regional binding site that attaches to the ace2 receptor. So, they knew this, they played with it, they intentionally did it, they knowingly did it. They violated international treaties. Violating informed consent violates more of those international treaties. So, yeah. All these things play a role.”

Mike Adams @1:01:01: “What if the, the Fauci 2.0 Special, that they might release next, this gets back to something you mentioned right at the very beginning, that the research was continuing into pushing what sounds like HIV portions, into the genetic code to achieve some sort of immunodeficiency effect? What if that’s the next bioweapon? It’s an aggressive, now novel bioweapon; none of the current vaccines touch it at all. It causes more vascular damage and it turns off the immune system. Wouldn’t that be kind of a global killer right there? Like a – like an extinction level, you know, attempt?”

Dr. Richard Fleming @1:01:41: “One of the things you’re going to see in the book is that there’s 1,770 nucleotide bases in the spike protein, that are identical to HIV and SIV, which is simian immunodeficiency virus. 

Mike Adams: “Okay. All right. So we’re not too far off the mark. Yeah, exactly. Wow. Well I hope, I hope – I mean, I can ask you questions for hours if you had the time, but I hope you’ll come back and do this again. You’re a fascinating individual, I really honor your courage in speaking out, but also the brilliance of your understanding of this. I think it – if science is to be saved at all, it’s going to be due to people like yourself, by the way. So thank you for what you’re doing. And thank you for joining us today.”

Dr. Richard Fleming: “Thank you. My pleasure to be here.”

Mike Adams: “Absolutely. Now, folks, Dr. Fleming’s book is, “Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?” Check out his website, I’m going to: flemingmethod.com. Now I’m fascinated about all his research into inflammation prevention.

I’m drinking my turmeric smoothie right here. This is part of my anti-inflammatory response. My neuro-protective potion, right there.

So, spread the word, folks. This is going to be censored on youtube, but you are free to post it everywhere else. Thank you for watching. I’m Mike Adams, the founder of brighteon.com. Take care.”

Thank you to everyone reading and/or watching the interview. Please help spread the word and stay informed. Research is incredibly important, especially in these uncertain times and with the incredible amount of propaganda and deliberate media suppression.

Thank you to everyone exposing these corruptions.

Dr. Peter McCullough Interview with Mike Adams | “All to prepare the population for mass vaccination.” [Transcript]

“It’s astonishing how dangerous the vaccines are.”

In keeping with providing written transcripts for those who prefer to read text as opposed to watching videos, I have transcribed the following interview between Mike Adams and Dr. Peter McCullough.

Another in-depth/informative video with Dr. Peter McCullough that is transcribed in full can be found here: Dr. Peter McCullough / John Leake – Full Interview [Transcript]

Thank you to Mike Adams and Dr. Peter McCullough. While all of the information is incredibly helpful and insightful, I did highlight some pertinent topics that were discussed and some embellishments were added for emphasis.

 

Also thank you to all the doctors/scientists/researchers, etc. who have been brave enough to stand up for their patients and for humanity in general. Your bravery and integrity speaks volumes of your character and exemplifies what it means to be a strong, compassionate individual, especially in the midst of adversity and vitriol.

Mike Adams: “Welcome everyone to another extraordinary interview here on Brighteon Conversations. Remember, we are the platform where we can exercise free speech that is not allowed on the major big tech platforms. And today we have a first time guest, but you’ve seen him in other interviews, or perhaps you haven’t since some of those interviews have been banned.

But, his name is Dr. Peter McCullough, and he is just an extraordinary individual. He’s a professor of medicine, Texas A&M, Dallas; he’s published I think 42 peer reviewed papers on covid. He’s been on the forefront of trying to help save lives in this and he has a very powerful and very timely message for what’s happening with medicine and science, and covid.

So Dr. McCullough, it’s an honor to have you on, thank you for joining me today.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Yeah, thanks for having me, Mike, it’s great to be here.”
Mike Adams: “Well, it’s great to have you on. You’ve been one of the most requested guest for our audience; they’ve been just really enthralled by what you have said in other interviews. Can you give us kind of a summary of where you think we are right now with covid, and the failed response by government authorities around the world? Why are they not doing the right thing?”

Safe treatment for COVID is available – NO VACCINE NEEDED (and in certain cases, treatment isn’t even needed)

Dr. Peter McCullough @1:49: “Well, a quick summary is that doctors, independent doctors innovated and learned how to treat the virus. So your audience can really settle down and understand that if someone’s over age 50 with multiple medical problems, they can be treated with a standard multi drug protocol plus nutraceuticals, get through the illness just fine, and avoid hospitalization and death. So we’ve taken the fear out of covid-19, we treat it at home.

Individuals under age 50, no medical problems, they can breeze through the illness, no treatment needed, unless severe symptoms develop, and again it just it’s nutraceutical bundle, which is probably modestly helpful. The drugs that really helped, I mean, we used EUA monoclonal antibodies, the Regeneron products – all doctors can make a call to their local emergency room, patients get an antibody infusion, just like president Trump got. You saw how he breezed through covid, that can be done. So if I got a senior call me today, I’d have him go to the Baylor ER, get an antibody infusion, they’ll breeze right through it. We used drugs in sequence, oral drugs to reduce viral replication, we use inhaled and oral steroids – “

Mike Adams: “Can you list some of those medications, please? Because people want to write these down.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Right, so the first thing we do is we use nutraceuticals, that would be zinc, 50 milligrams / vitamin D, 5,000 International Units / vitamin C, 3,000 milligrams / quercetin 500 milligrams, twice a day – that’s a good nutraceutical bundle right there. Probably modestly helpful and actually there are some supportive data. For the antibodies we have a Regeneron product that’s given IV and it’s given over an hour, with an hour observation down in the ER; you can go in by schedule in the first couple days of illness, but to get it done.

If someone is admitted, on the other side of the admission we can actually give a GlaxoSmithKline monoclonal antibodies. These are very helpful drugs and patients should demand them. So they should ask for these drugs, they shouldn’t be a mystery to get them. Just ask for the Regeneron antibody infusion – it’s what president Trump got – “

Mike Adams: “What’s your take on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Yeah, so after the antibody infusion, then we can use oral drugs. And we have hydroxychloroquine, over 200 supportive studies, 200 milligrams, twice a day; ivermectin about 60 supportive studies there, and we can use about 18 milligrams a dose every other day for 3 doses. And then outside the United States favipiravir. We combine them with azithromyacin or doxycycline, to reduce bacterial super infection and to reduce overlap between what’s called atypical organisms, and then we use inhaled budesonide, 800 milligrams twice a day – micrograms twice a day. If on day 5 respiratory symptoms, we use oral prednisone for about a quick 5 days, no taper. We use a drug called colchicine once a day, for 30 days. Reduces inflammation. And then really on the backend we use aspirin, 325 milligrams a day as a blood thinner; then high risk patients we use lovenox.

So the doctor will decide with the patient which kind of program it’s going to be, but it’s typically things to reduce viral replication, things to reduce inflammation, and then thrombosis. None of the drugs are individually essential. There are protocols where no hydroxychloroquine and no ivermectin is used, and just the anti-inflammatories and blood thinners are used. That’s the South African Pedi approach. Others kind of, kind of feature hydroxy or ivermectin – that’s fine too.

Access to doctors treating COVID (free services available)

Peter McCullough @5:30: But what the listeners need to know is that there are adequate signals of benefit and acceptable safety to use drugs in combination. The only people who get admitted to the hospital and die, are the ones who get no outpatient treatment. So we have to demand treatment. We have the American Physicians and Surgeons, AAPS, online’s got a free guide. Download it, everybody should have it; it’s been downloaded millions of times. We have a list of treating doctors.

There’s another wonderful site called the Frontline Critical Care Consortium, FLCC. They also have a great network of doctors. We have 4 national telemedicine services. The featured one is called MyFreeDoctor.com. And that’s a free service! You don’t need your insurance or anything. You just give a donation if you want to. Doctors work 24 by 7, they will take your intake, they’ll get the medicines called in to your pharmacy. If your pharmacy won’t fill them, we’ll use a mail order pharmacy, we’ll get the drugs to you – get going, and nobody has to suffer through this illness. There are 15 regional telemedicine services, 500 treating doctors, It’s called Sequence Multi Drug Therapy, it’s published in the peer review literature – been used millions of times.

Let me say this much, this has really kicked in the early part of January. We crushed our curve – that’s what crushed our curve. That was before anybody was vaccinated. We crushed our curve. Since that time we’ve been flat, kind of flat at leveling out through the pandemic. Mexico City crushed their curve with the early treatment. Down in South America, countries did; India just crushed their curve with early treatment. Early treatment treats the problem! Masks and vaccines don’t actually treat the illness. We need to treat the illness with multiple drugs.”

Huge censorship from big tech/media and health agencies | Medical dictatorship

Mike Adams @7:11: “Well how shocked are you in observing the official response to this? How shocked are you as a trained, published physician, who has the, the right motivation to help save lives, to help people get well, to reduce human suffering… This is supposed to be the moral code of being a physician. How shocked are you of the suppression of all the things that you just mentioned? From big tech censoring the mention and the CDC censoring, and the WHO censoring – why didn’t we have a national response that said, “Hey, let’s use what works.”?

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Well, we should have. We should have had doctors in charge who actually are real doctors who are board certified who are taking care of patients with covid-19. We needed doctors who had courage, who actually behaved like trauma surgeons. We don’t need doctors on TV who are not working in teams, who are not board certified, who have never seen a covid patient. That’s what America in the world has been looking at here and it’s really an atrocity.

You know, doctors always work in teams. We should never have a single doctor say anything on TV. Get a team! Get a team. We work in teams in rounds. We’ve seen no international collaboration. Do you know, I gave […] rounds today by webex to France. And we were collaborating. We were exchanging ideas. Americans have not seen any exchange of ideas between doctors on TV. They’ve basically seen a medical dictatorship. From one person. And Americans should be very alarmed on where’s the teams of doctors, where’s the international collaboration.

You know here I’m sitting here in Texas and you know a few hours south of us they’re handing out treatment kits by the millions! In baggies. And Texas would never know about it. Because there’s not any window to the outside world.”

Deliberate suppression of medical treatment and malfeasance in the health industry

Mike Adams @8:57: “Now, you’ve published many, many papers. You’re one of the most prolific writers in the area of internal medicine, and your work is sided by thousands of other studies and papers. So your history here of research and medicine is unassailable.

And what you just said about a medical dictatorship seems so true when last year, remember when states and I believe Michigan was one of them, actually outlawed the prescribing of hydroxychloroquine for covid. Why would a state government criminalize – oh, and by the way, that happened after the Lancet published that, later retracted, a bogus study that said hydroxychloroquine caused heart tissue/scarring and so on. But this seems like a medical dictatorship as you said, prohibiting the practice of good medicine by doctors who are on the frontlines. Would that be an accurate assessment?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “It’s accurate. Someone just sent me a treatment protocol from one of the Baylor Scott & White hospitals in our health system in central Texas. Kind of right applies to you. And that protocol to this day says ‘Do not use hydroxychloroquine to treat covid-19.’

We have 200 supportive studies. Lancet published a fraudulent paper. The FDA, based on the fraudulent paper said ‘do not use hydroxychloroquine’. Here we are, a year later, and hospital treatment guidelines say don’t use hydroxychloroquine. No one reviewed the literature. No one updated the literature. We have 200 studies. There’s a 30,000 patient study from Iran showing a giant reduction in hospitalization and death with hydroxychloroquine based program.

So what you’re seeing here is bad research. It’s bad medicine. People aren’t updated. There should be weekly updates. Monthly guidelines updates. Here, we’re frozen in time, fraudulent paper, ill-advised guidance from the FDA, and frozen in time with no contemporaneous review. None. It’s malfeasance.

Mike Adams: “Well that’s the thing. It seems, at least in my assessment, they deliberately pushed a fraudulent study through the Lancet, and I believe also in the New England Journal of Medicine, knowing that the retractions might never really happen. Like they’ve established now that hydroxychloroquine is dangerous and it’s hard to ever get that taken back out of the medical literature or even in the minds of the people who rely on that literature. So it’s kind of like, you know, the New York Times publishing something that’s false and then the retraction comes on page 8 in small print, you know, a day later – nobody sees the retraction.”

Intentional corruption for the purpose of hurting people | Attack on hydroxychloroquine

Dr. Peter McCullough @11:36: “I agree with this. I agree with you. I think it was intentional. I think the entire action was intentional and it was aligned to do harm. It was aligned to hurt people. And hydroxychloroquine became the focal point of how individuals with intent to do harm could do harm.

You know hydroxychloroquine, the second largest hydroxychloroquine plant outside of Taipei, was mysteriously burned to the ground. We heard words of hydroxychloroquine being burned at night in the pharmacies across Africa. In Queensland, Australia, in August, or – in early in April of last year, Queensland, Australia, they put it on the books that they would put a doctor in jail if a doctor tried to help a patient with hydroxychloroquine.

Now come on! I prescribe this every day. Rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, we can give it to pregnant women. I mean we prescribe hydroxychloroquine – you can give it to patients with dry eyes and other rheumatologic conditions. And suddenly in covid-19, we can’t use a simple, safe drug to help people?

Something Americans should think: something is REALLY wrong. We should have been, you know, we had the right idea – we stockpiled hydroxychloroquine, we had it ready to go, but then we didn’t release it from the stockpile! We made it impossible to use.”

Mike Adams: “Well, you just hinted at something, I want to explore this a little more deeply with you, that you got to intent. You believe that the intent was to cause harm. And I think most of our viewers would absolutely agree with you. And I do too, although I’m here asking your view, not really my views here today, but, if their intent was to cause harm and not just complacency or bureaucracy or inadvertent mistakes, what does this mean about this, the institution of medicine and science in the context of this pandemic? I mean, why aren’t they trying to save as many lives as possible? What’s going on here?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “It’s in the minds of doctors. In fact, there was a doctor who has done some of the, really just, I think, probably low-quality research, some very poor randomized trials that were stopped early – and they always stop early. Hydroxychloroquine is always a little bit ahead, and it’s winning; they stop early and say, ‘Oh, there’s no difference. Hydroxychloroquine didn’t do anything.’ Well, there’s a doctor who’s been leading some of these studies, he put out a message on twitter and said, ‘Oh, most good doctors have moved on from hydroxychloroquine.’

It’s like, you know, why state that, when hydroxychloroquine is a worldwide standard. It’s a standard, it’s always been a standard in Europe, in Rome, in Italy, it has a whole program called Treatment Domiciliary at Home. [Erik Rimaldi – sp?], who leads that effort, they’ve had major rallies in piazzas all over Italy, declaring ZERO hospitalizations with an early approach to hydroxychloroquine. Thousands and thousands of people. It’s standard in Iran. It’s standard in Russia. Used widely in India.

And you know what? When the first wave of covid-19 hit, in March of last year, that was the Wuhan version. That was the wild-type. That was the most serious version. You know, covid’s gotten easier and easier to treat. But the most serious wave, we had a very little blip in the United States. You know why? Because we had a massive use of hydroxychloroquine. It was then when agencies tried to kill it. That’s when the epidemic got out of control. We should have stuck with hydroxy hard all the way through. And you know, ivermectin works fine. We don’t use them alone. But when we sync them in with aspirin and steroids, blood thinners and colchicine, the program works tremendously. 85% reductions in hospitalizations and death.” 

Mike Adams: “Well, how much do you think a profit motive is behind this? I mean, do you get the feeling that if hydroxychloroquine were a new, on-patent drug, that just came out, Johnson & Johnson let’s say, and it were a thousand dollars a dose, and all governments offered to buy it at a thousand dollars a dose, do you get the feeling that suddenly it would be a miracle cure in the media if that were the case?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “No I don’t, believe it or not. I don’t think it’s a profit motive. You know, Merck, in Santa Fe, have had oral drugs. In development. They’re a part of Operation Warp Speed. They’ve been on slow gear with these oral drugs. Slow gear. You’d think if these companies wanted to make some money on oral drugs, then these drug companies, they know how to do big trials. They know how to move fast. Why are they moving at a snail’s pace? You know, we are overloaded with millions of cases of covid-19. You know what we needed? We needed 20,000 person outpatient trials of multiple drugs. And we needed it last year. Nobody did that. And believe me, they all had the resources. So I don’t think it’s profit driven.”

MOTIVE: Mass vaccination | “A NEEDLE IN EVERY ARM”

Mike Adams @16:30: “What do you think is the motive of this suppression of the treatments?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “I think it was all to prepare the population for mass vaccination. I think it was very intentional, to maximize the amount of fear, suffering, hospitalization and death, to prepare the population to accept mass vaccination. And when mass vaccination came out, they didn’t say targeted, or just for the seniors, or just for the maximum benefit is, they said ‘A NEEDLE IN EVERY ARM’. And they meant it.

And nowadays, that’s all you hear about, morning/noon/and night, is vaccination. You don’t see a word about treatment in the hospital, any updates on treatment; it’s vaccination morning/noon/and night, and people are dreaming of mass vaccination. We have doctors screaming at patients telling them they have to be vaccinated. Doctors saying that only vaccinated patients can be in their waiting room. I mean, everything has been set up on this vaccine. There’s been Saturday Night Live skits, about the vaccine. Since when do we do that? Vaccines are never that exciting!”

McCullough Report available on americaoutloud.com

Mike Adams @17:36: “I want to ask you more details about the vaccine, I just want to remind our viewers here that you have a broadcast; it’s on americaoutloud.com, americaoutloud.com. It’s the McCullough Report – is that once a week, or what’s the schedule on that?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Yeah, it comes out – so it’s run twice on weekends, and then it comes out on the iheartradio and the big podcast platforms – what I do is I bring in experts, who are absolutely – and we go through their backgrounds, so America knows these are the top people, all over the world, and we do interviews. You know, I try to go 8 to 10 minutes and really get the key information out. And I’ve interviewed absolutely the top people in order to break through to America.

“We are going to squash any valid scientific information on treatment and on safety and just mass promote the vaccine.”

Peter McCullough @18:21: Because we have what’s called the Trusted News Service. I hope everybody understands this. We have an overt censoring program that all the major media signed on to at the beginning of December. And the agreement was, that they were going to mass promote the vaccine, and they were going to suppress all information on treatment and vaccine safety. And everybody signed off on it. Everybody did! So MSNBC, NBC, CNN, twitter! Youtube! They have explicitly said, ‘we are going to squash any valid scientific information on treatment and on safety and just mass promote the vaccine.’ And that’s what we got.”

Mike Adams: “Yeah, and you’re exactly right. It’s just been propaganda and a couple of things that I’ve noticed in the media about vaccines, is number 1, any vaccine injuries are always designated ‘rare’, no matter how many people they impact. Such as the myocarditis affecting young healthy men, right now.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Can I address that, because I agree with you. It has been said to be rare – any claim that something is rare means, that you have to go through every person vaccinated and see if they got it! You just can’t take a small number of cases that got pushed forward and divide it by everybody who got it and, and on priority, say that people who on the denominator didn’t get it, that’s not true.

So last night I was on Fox news, and the announcer said, ‘Well what about, you know these are rare cases.’ I said, “Listen, there’s 387,000 safety reports with the vaccines. That’s more than any medical product in history by a mile.” And he goes, ‘Well these are rare.’ I said, “Well, I don’t think so. That’s not rare.” So the answer is with these vaccines, none of these things are rare. In fact, they are far too common and it’s worrisome.”

Mike Adams: “Well, and it shows the intellectual dishonesty. Because they can use that word ‘rare’ in whatever way they want. You can bet that if a dietary supplement were causing this number of reports, it would be called a danger to the public and common. It wouldn’t be rare.”

Excessive deaths from COVID vaccine shows it is NOT “safe and effective”

Dr. Peter McCullough @20:31: “Well let me give you some standards: 1976, Swine flu pandemic, 25 deaths, 500 cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, it was 22 million people vaccinated, it’s off the market. Ok.

A drug, typically a drug, 5 unexplained deaths, gets a black box warning for death. 50 unexplained deaths, off the market! Ok? With all the vaccines combined, 500 million shots a year, 70 vaccines, we get about a 150 or 160 deaths that roll in, not related in time to the vaccine over the course of a year.

Covid-19, we’re at 6,100 deaths; 44% occur in the 48 hours after the shot. And we started to see the mortality diverge from expected, on January 22nd, and there’s been NO safety report from the FDA or NIH. Or nothing on the media. No press briefing on vaccine safety. None!

Americans should be alarmed that we have not had a press briefing on safety. We should be very alarmed! The vaccines, it may not work, but it should be safe! And if we don’t have any update or press briefing on safety, no publication of safety, I think Americans should be greatly alarmed.”

Mike Adams: “Well, but the other thing that the media does is they say, even when they acknowledge some adverse reactions, they say the benefits are worth the risks. But, as you know, as a scientist yourself, when you’re talking about an age group that only has maybe a one in a million chance of mortality from the vaccine – I’m sorry, from covid, what possible benefit can there be that outweighs any substantial risk, right? There’s no benefit to taking it in those age groups.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “No, there’s some countries that really – for instance, Germany, is pretty similar to the United States, I want to say maybe they have 30% of people vaccinated? They’re just kind of focusing on people over 65. I think Governor Ron DeSantis in Florida had the right thing. Remember, he didn’t fool around. He got the people over 65 vaccinated then the rest of it.

It’s very hard at this point in time with the amount of safety and amount of neurologic damage, heart damage, blood clots and deaths with these vaccines, it’s very hard to find any group that would benefit right now. I was, you know, encouraging the vaccine to my patients, about 70% of them got it in December/January/February, and right now based on the safety, I can’t in good conscience – I can’t, you know, I can’t recommend it to anybody. Maybe on a case by case basis.

There’s going to be a far safer vaccine coming called NovaVax, and NovaVax… [indistinguishable] and should be much much better in terms of safety. We’re hoping that they can speed this one in and phase out the first generation of vaccines.”

Deceptive terminology used to mislead the public. Vaccine consent form says “This is not approved.”

Mike Adams @23:37: “So another thing that I’ve noticed that the media doing on this is they conflate emergency authorization use with quote “approval” of the vaccine. So you’ll see newscasters tell their audiences things like, ‘Well, the FDA has approved all these vaccines’, but they haven’t, really. It hasn’t gone through the long-term clinical trials, it hasn’t been declared safe or efficacious, either one. What – do you think this is just part of the deliberate deception, or what?

Dr. Peter McCullough:Yeah, I think it is deliberate, deceptive. Americans who have gotten the vaccine, and 45% of Americans have gotten the vaccine, so that’s about half of your audience, Mike, they’ve signed the consent! They know exactly what the vaccine consent says. It says ‘This is not approved.’ It says ‘We don’t know if this is going to work.’ It says ‘It’s investigational.’ Means it’s research. Means you’re signing up for research. And they collect your personal information to track you. And it says ‘We don’t know what the side effects are.’ They can range all the way from a sore arm to death. And that’s what the consent form – 45% of Americans signed up for this.

Genetic gene delivery vaccines create dangerous spike protein that cause damage to cells, blood vessels and cause blood clots.

Peter McCullough @24:47: The vaccines that they signed up for are considered genetic gene delivery medicines. Ok? They are genetic, biologically active products. Ok? The typical vaccine is either a protein, or a dead virus, or an inactivated virus. It’s never a gene transfer substance. So whoever signed up for this, and 45% of your listeners signed up for this, they took Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J, they took a genetic product. Ok? That product transfers genetic material into your cells. That’s what it did. And then inside the cells, and there’s cells all over the body, they produce a dangerous protein called the spike protein. And wherever the genetic material goes, and we know, it goes to the brain, it goes to the heart – it produces the spike protein, which is inside cells, damages those cells, it damages the surface of those cells, causes inflammation, and then from there it travels in the body for about 2 weeks causing damage to blood vessels and causing blood clots.

So Senator Johnson, last night, had a townhall for vaccine injury victims. And there were dozens of them and they told America about how they’ve sustained brain damage. Or heart damage from the vaccine. And this has occurred in thousands and thousands of people. 21,000 people have been hospitalized after the vaccine. 27% of them are below age 50. It’s astonishing how dangerous the vaccines are.

Mike Adams: “Yeah, and you just mentioned several bombshells there that I want to get into. You referred to the bio-distribution study – one of which I’m aware is out of Japan; and the mainstream vaccine industry claims that these spike protein nanoparticles do not circulate throughout the body, but the studies show they do. Think there’s another pharmacokinetic study as well that establishes that.

What you just mentioned is huge. I mean, just based on that research alone, it seems like the FDA should pull the emergency authorization and say, ‘Wait a second, we need to study this in more depth. We can’t inject people if this is circulating throughout the entire body.’ But they’re not doing that. What’s going on?”

Nanoparticles in the vaccines concentrating in the ovaries – causing drop in fertility

Dr. Peter McCullough @27:11: “The vaccines that Johnson & Johnson/Pfizer/Moderna have a very dangerous mechanism action. We cannot have genetic substances circulating in our body in lipid nanoparticles or other forms of matrix nanoparticles and go to our brain! We can’t do that! I mean, that cannot be allowed. It’s a dangerous mechanism action.

The Japanese did not trust Pfizer, and when Pfizer said it stayed locally in the arm, the Japanese said ‘We don’t trust you. Show us where this goes’, and it was a biodistribution study done of the nanoparticles, not the messenger RNA, but the nanoparticles, and they went everywhere. They did wash out of organs in a couple of days but they hyper-concentrated in the ovaries.

In Europe, they didn’t trust Moderna on fertility. And they asked them, ‘What happens to fertility with Moderna?’ They did an animal study and Moderna dropped fertility.

The FDA, Mike, told Pfizer/Moderna and J&J,  ‘No pregnant women. No women of child-bearing potential who cannot assure contraceptive.’ They did that for a reason. They knew the vaccines should not be used in young women and they knew that.”

Mike Adams: “And yet the vaccine is being promoted for pregnant women all across America today by the medical establishment, but just getting back to that study, as I recall, one of the other areas where the nanoparticles tended to cluster was in the adrenals. So now we’re talking about a hormonal interference which could affect fertility, it could affect mental states, moods, it could affect SO many things. Right? In the body. Unknown effects.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Right. Well there have been nanoparticle studies, there was one from China published about 8 years or so ago that tested these nanoparticles. And they asked, ‘Where did they go?’ And they made a brilliant nice rainbow of all the organs where the nanoparticles showered, and they did show that they go to the ovaries. So the point is, and the adrenals, so the point is, the FDA, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, they KNEW or they should have known that these particles are gonna hit these vital organs. And then when they drop their genetic payload then they’re going to start producing the spike protein and damaging cells in those organs. So it was not surprising when young women were ill-advised and took the vaccines they started having problems with their periods. That was not unexpected.

“These vaccines are directly killing babies in the first trimester and it is absolutely atrocious. Horrible!”

Peter McCullough @29:41: In a New England Journal of Medicine paper of pregnancy, women who took the vaccine, the authors concluded that it was safe to give the vaccine in pregnancy. Now, no woman carried the baby 9 months because the vaccines haven’t been around 9 months, but they looked at different windows of time, and they divided all the pregnancy loss rates by the largest denominator possible, so it was really false reporting. When we zeroed in on the first trimester, and just divided by those who got the vaccine in the trimester, not those who got it later on, there was an 83% loss in fetal – in the babies. So these vaccines are directly killing babies in the first trimester and it is absolutely atrocious. Horrible!

@30:27: [indistinguishable] – college right now, is recommending that women, pregnant women, take the covid-19 vaccine. Pregnant women can breeze right through covid-19. There has been some bad outcomes, but it is very treatable with our drugs, we can even use hydroxychloroquine through pregnancy, we can use prednisone and other drugs. No woman should EVER take the risk with the covid-19 vaccine during pregnancy. Period! If the FDA, Pfizer/Moderna didn’t allow it in their clinical trials, it should be – not be allowed in practice today.”

Mike Adams: “Yeah, and that’s – you’re talking common sense medicine, here. But it seems like common sense has been thrown out the window. But I’m so glad you brought this up, because it seems like beginning in about maybe 6 months and continuing on we may see a collapse in birth rates, and maybe ongoing infertility problems. But that brings up the obvious question: do you think that there is an infertility or long-term population reduction agenda? Many people believe that. Lots of my guests have discussed that. Is that something that you subscribe to, or is it – we don’t have enough data yet to conclude that?”

Addressing “conspiracy theories” and the brainwashing of the public

Dr. Peter McCullough @31:32: “You know, I can’t – I’ve been so focusing on the medical response and taking care of my patients. I know others are working on, you know, people have called them “conspiracy theories”; the, you know the rapper, RC rapper, says, you know, it’s not a conspiracy theory if it keeps coming true. And I’m not going to comment on conspiracy theories but if you ask me, do you think these vaccines are going to have an impact on fertility, I think the answer is yes.

We’ve already seen that with the Moderna application and now with the fetal loss. Data fairly calculated from the New England Journal of Medicine study, there’s no doubt about it. Pregnant women are going to lose their babies if they take the vaccine. And it’s worse than that. Once they’ve conceived and they’re breastfeeding, we now have events in the Vaccine Adverse reporting system where women take the vaccine, they generate the spike protein, and we infer the spike protein goes through the milk and kills the baby.

So these vaccines need to stay away from babies and mothers and women who are trying to conceive. I mean, that can’t be a more clear message.

You know, women are concerned about drinking half a glass of wine during pregnancy. How in the world can they take a shot of a wildly experimental, unproven, unsafe vaccine for the first time? How could they ever do it? It’s almost as if Americans and doctors and everybody are just brainwashed together. They are brainwashed! They’ve been propagandized and they are blindly accepting something that they should just stay away from.”

Doctors getting silenced, threatened, fired for speaking out against the narrative

Mike Adams @32:58: “Well I think most of our audience would agree with that. And by the way, you mentioned earlier about the percentage of people getting the vaccine, and I think I’m proud to say close to zero percent of our audience has taken this vaccine. Very close to zero percent. Because they’re well educated and well informed.

But I want to ask you about possible pushback because, you know, many doctors have been threatened, censored, fired for speaking out. They’ve been silenced. Even early on. I remember New York City, back in late March of last year, one particular doctor was saying, ‘Woah! We need to be treating this as an oxygen deprivation condition affecting hemoglobin.’ And he was silenced! And this has happened ever since then. What kind of pushback are you getting? Are they trying to silence you from doing interviews like this?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “No, I have to tell you, I have over 600 peer-review publications. I’m the editor of two major journals, senior associate editor of a third. I’m the most published person in my field in the world. I’ve had covid-19 myself. I’ve suffered through it. My wife’s side of the family, we’ve had fatalities in her side of the family. I can tell you right now, I am supremely qualified to give my opinions. I have the right to give my opinions. And anybody who thinks they can threaten me or take me on, bring it on. No one’s had the guts to do it. And they would absolutely, positively be pummeled. And be ashamed.

Lack of courage and lack of compassion in the health care industry | Long line of shame

Peter McCullough @34:25: In fact, I’ve had a couple people in Indiana, I think they feel shame. They feel ashamed for their lack of courage and their lack of ability to compassionately help patients. Patients cried out for help. 600,000 of them cried out for help. Doctors, health care systems, and clinics turned them down. They suffered. Then they were hospitalized. They went into isolation, Mike, they never saw their families again and then they died.

We have a long, long line of shame. And there’s a lot of people walking that line of shame. Most of them can’t look me in the eye. I’ll tell you right now. They cannot look me in the eye. They are so ashamed of themselves.”

Awakening out of the trance | Facing the horrific blind actions of “just following orders”

Mike Adams @35:05: “Do you think that there will be, at some point, looking back, some kind of awakening? In previous interviews you’ve described some doctors as being almost like they’re in a trance. Or under a spell of some kind. Do you think that they will be able to awaken from that trance and look at what happened and recognize that that was not a high integrity practicing of medicine?”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Some people have said that the awakening out of a trance will be like a Nazi war crime doctors. Where they’ll somehow come out of their trance and they’re going to be terrified at what they did. And I would bring obstetricians right to the very front. And when they come out of their trance and they realize in horror that they were advising pregnant women to get injections of genetic biological – these are gene transfer platforms. Wildly experimental, that produce in an uncontrolled manner, a dangerous protein for the human body that gouges blood vessels, causes blood clots.

We KNOW this. We’ve known that this is a blood-clotting illness for a long time. That they advise this – I think these obstetricians are going to wake up in a cold sweat and they’re going to be HORRIFIED with what they recommended! They are going to be – and it’s going to be – I gotta tell you, we have years of reckoning on this. We have years of reckoning. There is a line of shame that these doctors and nurses and mid-level providers, and clinics, and hospitals will walk, that is atrocious.

In pregnancy, above ALL conditions, it’s “primum non nocere”, we will never do harm to a pregnant woman. We would, you know, we have drugs. We have pregnancy classes, A, B and C. We would NEVER ever give a drug that we even thought had a chance of causing harm to a pregnant woman. Let alone just jack’em up with a genetic juice which we now know is absolutely, positively dangerous.

It is atrocious what’s going on right now and we can’t be more alarmed. I think any woman listening to this, who has any ounce of common sense, ought to absolutely talk to every other woman – and you know what? Have some real conversations with your obstetrician. Give them a phone call. Send an email. And say, ‘Listen. Wake up. What are you doing right here, right now? That’s causing harm.’

Worldwide distrust | Grandparents demanding grandchildren to get vaccinated

Mike Adams @37:22: “And now along with doctors at one point waking up, as you were just describing, do you think that there’s also a very real risk that… when all of this eventually comes out, and looking back on it that the public’s faith in the entire institution of medicine and science, may be so fractured that at that point the public may refuse to even consider helpful interventions and therapies that could save lives. Because all of it may be discredited at some point depending on how big this thing goes.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Right. So with things are really going off the rails, so public […] doesn’t trust the media, doesn’t trust the public agencies, doesn’t trust their doctors or doctor groups, and they don’t trust each other! They don’t trust – do you know right now that there are grandparents that say that they won’t see their grandchildren unless they’re vaccinated! So now they’re putting – and the grandparents are vaccinated. So now they’re putting the risk of blood clots and myocarditis and death onto their grandchildren and saying that they won’t see each other for Disney.

Colleges mandating vaccines for students while faculty (and the FDA/CDC/NIH) are not taking it.

Peter McCullough @38:25: Do you know we have 9% of colleges that are mandating the investigational vaccines. So they’re actually mandating their student bodies participate in research with this, which is openly dangerous biological products. They have no ability to help these youngsters. And you know in many of these colleges: there’s no policy, there’s no exemption process.

And do you know that in many of these colleges their faculties aren’t taking it! Now the FDA, the CDC and the NIH, they’re not taking the vaccine! They’re not taking it! And the faculty’s not taking it! So they’re going to make the students take it under duress!

So the vaccine has been propagandized and now socially weaponized so the universities can hurt the student population! Just like the obstetricians are hurting their patients. Like the grandparents are hurting their grandchildren.

Mike, something is REALLY disturbing; wrong. And there are so many players in this.

The need for integrity, courage, principles… and justice.

Mike Adams @39:23: “Well said, and we’re up against the time here, I mean, we can continue to talk. Maybe, hopefully you can come back and join us again but, I just want to say, the people watching this, thank you for your integrity. And thank you for your courage but also for sticking to your principles. You want evidence, you want to show efficacy, you want to reduce risk and save lives. And that’s what every doctor should be in America, and somehow that – that seems like it’s lost. And that’s what freaks people out as much covid. It’s that ‘who can we trust anymore?’

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Well, I gotta tell you, if there’s ever a time for courage, for integrity, for commitment to principles of medical ethics, and commitment to biomedical science, and lastly, a commitment to justice, now is the time. And listen, if that’s my role, and that’s your role, that’s our role that we’re serving right now. And America needs to get behind its heroes. Because we’ve got a long uphill battle. There is a disturbing trance that is basically like a black cloud over the world right now. And we’re trying to find a way out. There’s so much harm and suffering going on, and NONE of it is needed.”

Mike Adams: “And I’ll tell you, and you are one of the bright points of light in this darkness, and the AAPS, this is a shining moment for that organization. They are so right, they – I don’t even know what to say, but we’re going to interview, I think, other prominent people from the AAPS because their voices are desperately needed right now to save lives and end human suffering. And also help stop this pandemic.

So, thank you Dr. McCullough. It’s an honor to have you on. I really enjoyed this conversation. You’re a wonderful person; I really honor your knowledge and your courage. Thank you.”

Dr. Peter McCullough: “Thanks Mike. Great interview.”

Thank you to everyone reading and/or watching the interview. Please help spread the word and stay informed. Research is incredibly important, especially in these uncertain times and with the incredible amount of propaganda and deliberate media suppression.

Thank you to everyone exposing these corruptions.